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 Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:10 pm Post subject: Windows 98 SE or Win XP???? |
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Ok - i already own win 98 SE, and i am wonderin if i should bother buyin XP and installin it or just use the 98 that ive got.
have any of you got any ideas??? will there be problems if i dont buy XP???? Because most games and stuff i see can run on win 98 and up, also would i be able to run office xp on win 98 SE?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Until "Longhorn" comes out, 98 SE will remain the bottom supported OS. i.e. Developers only support as far back as 98 or 98SE.
When "Longhorn" comes out, that might change, but until then and probably even after its release, people will still support windows 98. It is a reliable OS and isn't "idiot proof" like XP, so that it is alot easier to tweak and change stuff yourself in 98 then it is in XP.
If I were you I wouldn't waste my money on XP, its not what its all hyped up to be.
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| yeah..XP is alright if you have multiple users and a need for media applications....but as a gaming rig and "ease of use" 98SE is still a good performer. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:59 am Post subject: |
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yeah - thats what i thought too, i was just checkin
thanks alot
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i disagree with your comments regarding both 98SE and XP.
regardless of my opinions however, upgrading your box depends on more than just which OS does the best job, but also what type of box are you running (will XP support it) and are you willing to invest the cash (cause i wouln't get Home. get the Pro).
i believe in staying current. i strongly believe that XP is a very stable OS that has provided me with a lot more flexibility. it's much faster than any other MS OS, and manages its resources better.
i can't tell you how many times i had to reimage 98SE boxes (i support over 300 systems in my office). they start off fine, but quickly get bogged down and unstable.... and useless. it's better than 95 was, but only marginally.
now, this is just my 2 cents... and like i said, the decision also depends on your box and your cashflow.
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| Roger wrote: | upgrading your box depends on more than just which OS does the best job, but also what type of box are you running (will XP support it) and are you willing to invest the cash (cause i wouln't get Home. get the Pro).
i believe in staying current. i strongly believe that XP is a very stable OS that has provided me with a lot more flexibility. it's much faster than any other MS OS, and manages its resources better.
i can't tell you how many times i had to reimage 98SE boxes . they start off fine, but quickly get bogged down and unstable. |
as you can see from his other posts, this is going to be a new machine...so XP support shouldn't be an issue.
staying current is fine if you have a need to upgrade. A box that is going to be used for just games and some officeXP apps....has little need for the extra bloat built into XP.
With the Professional Edition, all of XP's consumer-style OS is present: the uber friendly looking GUI is still standard fare (which I still can't image on all corporate PCs). Then there is the Windows Messenger (MSN, really). All this create bloat! Windows 98SE typically takes about 1 GB of HD space, while XP Pro takes about 2 GB of HD space.
So what does XP add? Not too much that I consider significant. Windows Messenger is included now, as well as Movie Maker (from Me) and Remote Desktop. There is also Error Reporting (which is actually a huge negative). The GUI has changed as well, which requires a learning curve. Heck 1/2 of the stuff that makes XP look nice, is a waste of CPU cycles. Thankfully, you can switch back to "classic" style, in which it will look like Windows 98.
Restore points are also a hog of disk space and resources running in the background. Although nice for the novice....they are about as useful as the automatic updates and other "load managing" bloat-ware".....not very.
as far as being much faster than any other MS OS...I would be willing to put 95 up against it any time....if you could just find drivers for half of the hardware!....lol
Then self-destruction of 98 comes from additional crap people add to the OS.....if you keep it clean.....and so not try to make it a "do-all" system...then it's QUITE functional.
Any place that used 98 in an office or corporate environment...wasn't thinking too clearly in the first place....neither secure nor redundant was it meant to be. |
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Roger
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| DMW wrote: | | as you can see from his other posts, this is going to be a new machine...so XP support shouldn't be an issue. |
at no point in this thread did he mention that. if it isn't mentioned here, then i will not assume that this is a new box. if he's mentioned it in other threads, then that's fine, however i shouldn't have to go looking for that information (many people have made that remark in other threads where they are offering help or advice).
| DMW wrote: | | staying current is fine if you have a need to upgrade. |
i stated that i believe in staying current. doesn't always mean you need to, however being that this is an important part of my profession, i try to use new technologies (whether hardware or software).
| DMW wrote: | | All this create bloat! Windows 98SE typically takes about 1 GB of HD space, while XP Pro takes about 2 GB of HD space. |
ummm, no. if you custom install only what you need/want, then you can do a clean install with 1.5GB. and honestly, we live in a time where 100+GB HDDs are common place. does an extra 500 megs matter? jesus, new games install up over the gig mark... and this box of his is going to be a gaming rig.
| DMW wrote: | | Although nice for the novice....they are about as useful as the automatic updates and other "load managing" bloat-ware".....not very. |
you can turn off these things that you are talking about. they are present for people who want more from their OS, but if you like it clean and lean, then all you have to do is turn it off. it is an extra step that you have to take, however they can't release 2 versions of the OS... one with everything enabled and one disabled.
| DMW wrote: | | as far as being much faster than any other MS OS...I would be willing to put 95 up against it any time....if you could just find drivers for half of the hardware!....lol |
man, i'm hoping that's a joke, cause otherwise it's a ridiculous statement. what exactly is the point of comparing a modern OS to something that is antiquated and would never be practically used anymore. and fyi, xp pro on my p4 1.9 box (my slowest box) loads in seconds.
| DMW wrote: | | Then self-destruction of 98 comes from additional crap people add to the OS.....if you keep it clean.....and so not try to make it a "do-all" system...then it's QUITE functional. |
yeah, you see, that crap that you are referring to is often application software that is required to do one's job. i'm not talking about peer-ro-peer apps, instant messengers or other bs. i'm talking practical, real-world, job applications. it doesn't take a lot to bog down 98. and that's not even making mention of the hardware problems. ever run out of irq's... please, that was common place with 98.
| DMW wrote: | | Any place that used 98 in an office or corporate environment...wasn't thinking too clearly in the first place....neither secure nor redundant was it meant to be. |
and the other options at the time were?!?
if you work in the industry you know that as a technician, you have absolutely no control over what the company decides to do... what apps or os's they will run. you just service them. and at the time, management sure as hell wouldn't have approved any unix/linux os.
and if you work for the federal government, such as i do, then you realize that you have even less control... decisions of that magnitude are made nationally.
not trying to turn this into a pissing contest.
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read my lips...." his other posts"
I never mentioned this thread.
if you do not know the man's situation, then ask him or do not comment.
I saw that he was new to the forum, so it wasn't too much trouble to read a few of his other posts.
you can stay current....it doesn't mean that his needs will require it.
we aren't discussing your profession.
comparing a 250 to 300MB install of 98SE over a 2GB install of XP IS of concern to some people. not to mention service packs.
no joke...speed wise...if processors of the mid 90's ware as fast as today's hardware, it would have been an incredible time!...it's a lean OS that came at a time before lazy admins (and users) wanted a GUI to work with. The more GUI ....the more bloat. Windows by definition is complexity. I would be willing to bet that 95% of the people with PCs have no idea what it takes to get all these "windows" to work together....it's a .dll hodge podge / labyrinth /quagmire / cesspool !
YOU can use anything ya want.....the bottom line is that if it does the job you need it to.....then use it.
| Quote: | | i'm talking practical, real-world, job applications. it doesn't take a lot to bog down 98. and that's not even making mention of the hardware problems. ever run out of irq's... please, that was common place with 98. |
you keep puting it in a the job place.....tsk tsk.
ever hear ofLinux? NT4......they belonged in the work place during that period.
| Quote: | | and at the time, management sure as hell wouldn't have approved any unix/linux os. |
then you as an admin, failed to demonstrate the productivity / security and cost benifits of other options.
obviously, we can read the resentment you have for the "powers that be" who required you to do something you may not have wanted to...but we will still respect your opinion for what it is...yours...as is mine. 
working where you do for who you do....you should appreciate the simplicity of a few of the other options...and not piss on my cornfalkes this early in the day....I'm likely to go out and turn off a few thousand people's phones now, just for spite! hehe 
it's his machine....he doesn't need to spend MORE money if his hardware functions properly and the software is compatible. |
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i can see it is pointless to try to have a discussion about this with you. apparently no one else's opinions are worth anything but your own.
fyi, i clearly indicated that these were my opinions, and seeing as he was asking for opinions, i figured it was safe to give mine. i also stressed the cost, and that it is an important part of his decision.
anyway...
go ahead and turn off those phones, mr godmin.
oh, and enjoy your corn flakes.
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I too couldn't figure out why you quoted what I made a point of mentioning...
| Quote: | DMW wrote:
"staying current is fine if you have a need to upgrade. "
i stated that i believe in staying current. doesn't always mean you need to, however being that this is an important part of my profession, i try to use new technologies (whether hardware or software). |
that was me agreeing with you.....was it not?
no mr. godmins over here...you miss my smiley faces?
additionally, the FCC frownson it at a rate of $10K a minute for s*** like that.
corn flakes really aren't my thing anyways....hehe.
lastly, if I valued no one else's opinion I wouldn't participate in a forum. I have in a number of threads asked for opinions and ideas from my fellow tweak news participants.
we all need to accept that there are more ways to look at our ideas besides our own.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:21 am Post subject: |
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lol - so which OS should i use again??? 
ill stick with 98SE for now unless the 'bogging down' becomes really bad, then ill have to find an alternative (probably XP Pro).. but you didnt need to put in so much effort to get your point across
anyway - thanks for your input
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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yeah - you guys have helped me out alot so far... i was gonna buy an IBM or a Dell before i came here :S
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I say XP if its a new/recent box.
If its like a Pentium2, then yes, stick with the old, ancient, 98SE.
Tweaking? XP wins IMO. 98 was decent, but XP has more features to tweak and those features add alot of benefits over what 98 has.
Plus 98 is on ...*shiver*.....FAT32. XP uses the updated NTFS 5.0 which is by far better than FAT32. Not only in security but in performance as well.
I myself will not put 98 on another box ever again. Its not worth it anymore.
As for being bloated....well....turn off the services and such that you don't use....sheeesh. Its easy to do and there are LOTS of sites that talk about what each service does and is used for. Heck, most give a recommendation for whether you need it or not and explain why.
So my vote goes for XP Pro unless its an old box or you don't have the $$.
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DELL or IBM! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sorry.
I will never buy a Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, or IBM desktop. Mayhaps a laptop since building one myself seems unlikely but NEVER EVER a dekstop. It's just so muche asier to build it yourself. Hell I SELL Compaq and HP and won't touch them witha stick.
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