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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: System slowness - P4 3.08, 1x 1g Corsair Ram Reply with quote

I've got an Alienware P4 3.08 box that has been running slow for a few months. After spending countless hours debugging the issue, Sandra tells me that the memory is running at the wrong frequency (possibly). I may have created this issue when I reset the bios a few months ago, but I can't recall if that was when the issue arised (shame on me for tinkering carelessly)...

My current settings for the frequency is set to auto. When I switch to manual in the bios, I'm only given 333 or 266 as an option. I'm assuming this is because the P4 can only handle up to 333?

I have one stick of Corsair Value Select RAM (1G PC3200/2700/2100). According to the proc specs, it can handle the 3200 but doesn't the proc itself have to be 200 and not 133? The bios won't let me run the memory at the 400 frequency. Does this mean I need to just settle with the RAM running at 333?

That being said, even when I switch out of auto frequency settings and set it to 333 the machine still runs quite slow (benchmarks at about 256 megs of RAM).

My last thought is it could be the CAS/RAS stuff. Here are the current settings (per SPD):

CAS Latency: 2.5
Active Precharge: 7
RAS to CAS Delay: 3
RAS Precharge: 3

Please take pity on me. Any suggestions would be highly valued.

Cheers,

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum. Hope we can help.

We need a tad more info...3.08 isn't a natural P4 speed...but you did say it was alienware.

How about downloading CPU-Z and give us a small screenshot of the cpu and memory pages. That might save a bunch of hardware questions.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Screenshots... Reply with quote

Thanks for the good suggestion. Please note that I've been trying different settings for the memory. The screenshot will reflect the following:

CAS Latency: 2.5
Active Precharge: 6
RAS to CAS Delay: 2
RAS Precharge: 2

Here are the shots:

(CPU) http://www.withincontext.com/files/sshot-1.jpg
(Memory) http://www.withincontext.com/files/sshot-2.jpg
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: One more screenshot... Reply with quote

http://www.withincontext.com/files/sshot-3.jpg (SPD)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: By the way Reply with quote

By the way, I'm willing to PayPal a donation to anyone who helps me solve this. :)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple things:

First of all yes, you aheva northwood chip and the FSB SHOULD be 200. And memory should be 400.

CPU-Z also says that your memory is running in single channel mode....how many ram slots are on your motherboard, and what slots are your ram in? Dual channel will increase youre performance noticably, so that may be the cause....

My suggestion....dont play with Ram timings....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh wait a minute.....i think you have the 533FSB northwood....my mistake. In that case youre FSB and ram ratio are correct. Set those timings back to auto.

I think you have a ram stick in the wrong slot....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that indeed is a 3.06G 533FSB HT Northwood.

Your memory timings at 2.5/2/2/6 versus the 2.5/3/3/7 will mean very little, to what you are describing as slow down. You are running your memory at 333 due to the 4:5 ratio. Which is probably as fast as the chipset will support. What does the motherboard screen say you have for a chipset? i845?

Kinda sounds to me like an OS problem.

Another useful utility is memtest86, which you can download an ISO of a bootable cd. It not only tests your memory but reports what it's bandwidth and operating frequency, as well as cpu speed while operating.

And yes, you are single channel memory since you have only one stick installed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOH! i missed that he had only one stick!

Yeah, sounds like OS to me too, now....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Yep, i865 Reply with quote

Yeah, the mobo is a 1865 chipset.

I guess I'll start with a fresh install (again). I'm at my wits-end with this issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

b4 you do anything, check for a bios update from dell, and when you reinstall, put only the latest drivers on there which you can get from dell\ manufacturer for the device...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: But... Reply with quote

It's not a Dell machine. I have all the latest drivers from Shuttle for the mobo and integrated hardware.

The more I think about it, the less I feel that this is an OS issue. If the box isn't booting up to Windows quickly, then I'm not sure I understand how a fresh install can fix this, especially when I've been down that path once before.

Running Memtest to check the bandwidth and frequency...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

errr, I know alienware was bought by dell. mY bad dude. I meant that, you need to look for BIOS, that might help fix detection errors
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem. FYI, I flashed with the latest bios available (http://global.shuttle.com/Download/Download_File.asp?Item=SB61G2%20V4), which is fb61s40f.bin. Per the readme, they haven't really addressed these types of issues but it was worth a shot.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait...if windows loads slow....then it could def be software.

If the bios and everything else is acting funny.....then its hardware.

So far, i see no reason why this would be a hardware failure, rather than an incorrect setting, or a software bitrot problem. How long this build of windows been on there?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My OS is about 13 days old, as I reinstalled recently to try to address the issue. :/ It was slow before and it's still slow. I'm running WInXP ProSP2 (install disk is slipstreamed).

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Memtest looks correct. This could still be hardware though, just not memory/cpu.

Do you have any USB stuff hooked up that could be slowing things up? Try unplugging them for test purposes.

If you reload, I'd use Intel's chipset drivers they tend to be more up to date. There's a couple posts around here on reload order, but chipset drivers, i/o drivers, sound then video, seems to work for me.

Another thought. Is your HDD serial or parallel? If it's serial, could you have the BIOS set wrong? Such as compatibility mode or similar? If your PATA, do you have anything else on the primary channel?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, guys, let's back the truck up here a little bit............

When was the last time you opened your rig up and checked the fans and vents for dust buildup? Your Northy will throttle back if it's getting too hot. I'm assuming your machine is a couple of years old.....if you haven't cleaned or replaced the cooling fans in that time, you probably should.

When you did a clean install, did Windows run any faster BEFORE you installed any software? I would suggest a clean, fresh install, and see how it runs with nothing but Windows, your hardware drivers, and nothing else installed.

Also, what do you consider "essential" software, and when the slowdown started, did you recently do any updates to that software, or install anything new? The culprit could be a piece of software with a slightly corrupt driver that's making Windows hang. Start with the bare bones essentials, and test one at a time. When you find the software that slows everything down, take a look at what it is, and troubleshoot THAT.

Have you installed any new hardware lately? All we know right now is that you have an Alienware machine, the proc and RAM installed. We know nothing else about the system. If you've recently installed a 7900GTX and you're using a 350w PSU, I can pretty much tell you the problem right there.

Give us a complete rundown on your rig, ALL the parts installed, so we can take a look at the overall physical config, and see if there's a possible problem there.

Check your fans for cleanliness while you're at it, and make sure none have stopped working.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Responses Reply with quote

- I have a USB mouse and USB keyboard, but no other USB devices. I tried a PS/2 keyboard and unplugged the mouse with no change.

- The rig is sitting open right now. I never let dust build up, so we should be okay there.

- The case and mobo is slightly different than the original one Alienware shipped to me. The original died last year (had trouble posting after powering off). Both fans came with the new Shuttle XPC case and I'm assuming they are okay. My mobo is running at about 53 C right now and the proc is at 40 C. Should I take a picture of the fan RPMs for verification? See the bottom of this post for Sandra results...it looks like my mobo might be running too hot?

- I've installed 3 new parts over the last few months in hopes of dealing with the issue while also achieving better performance overall. 1) I went from 2 x 512 generic Corsair pc2700 sticks to 1 x 1g Corsair Value select. I made this switch when one of the RAM sticks started failing (confirmed with Microsofts Memory Test Bootable CD). 2) I went from a Nvidia 128 Geforce FX 5900 to an ATI Radeon X1600 (both AGP). For testing purposes, I dropped in the Nvidia and used Driver Cleaner before installing the Nvidia drivers. Either way, I still had slowness. 3) The last part I upgraded was my HDD, which is DiamondMax10 300 gig SATA-150. The previous drive was a PATA-100 120 gig. I had slowness with the old drive and now the new one.

- Yes, just after a fresh install of Windows I had slowness. That is, *NOTHING* but the Windows Updates were installed and I had problems. Tonight I tried a System Restore back to the original install date with no software present and continued to experience the same problem.

- I keep my box running pretty slim, but I am a Web Developer so I use Adobe CS2 and some other development tools, as well MS Office, FireFox, and a few others. I'm running Windows One Live Care which keeps the drive defragmented and free of virii.

Did anyone look at the L1 cache from Memtest. Does that look correct? Could my proc be dying? It's one of the last few original pieces in this machine.
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SiSoftware Sandra

Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz
Speed : 3.07GHz
Performance Rating : PR4088 (estimated)
SMT Support : 2 Unit(s)
Type : Standard
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous, ATC, 8-way set, 64 byte line size, 2 lines per sector

Mainboard
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
MP Support : 1 CPU(s)
MP APIC : Yes
System BIOS : Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG
System : Shuttle Inc SB61V40
Mainboard : Shuttle Inc FB61V40
Total Memory : 1GB DDR-SDRAM

Chipset 1
Model : Holco Ent Co Ltd/Shuttle Computer 82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 134MHz (536MHz data rate)
Total Memory : 1GB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Bus Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)

Video System
Monitor/Panel : Plug and Play Monitor
Adapter : Radeon X1600 Series
Adapter : Radeon X1600 Series Secondary
Imaging Device : HP Photosmart 3200
Imaging Device : HP Photosmart 3200 #2

Physical Storage Devices
Hard Disk : Maxtor 6L300S0 (279GB)
CD-ROM/DVD : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 (CD 40X Rd, 32X Wr) (DVD 5X Rd, 4X Wr)
CD-ROM/DVD : DU5353T ZQH732N SCSI CdRom Device (CD 32X Rd) (DVD 4X Rd)

Logical Storage Devices
Drive 1 (C:) : 70GB (56GB, 80% Free Space) (NTFS)
Drive 2 (D:) : 120GB (58GB, 48% Free Space) (NTFS)
Drive 3 (E:) : 89GB (76GB, 85% Free Space) (NTFS)
CD-ROM/DVD (F:) : N/A
Nfsmw_disc1 (G:) : 674MB (CDFS)

Peripherals
Serial/Parallel Port(s) : 1 COM / 1 LPT
USB Controller/Hub : Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2
USB Controller/Hub : Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D4
USB Controller/Hub : Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7
USB Controller/Hub : Intel(R) 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 24DD
USB Controller/Hub : Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Composite Device
FireWire/1394 Controller/Hub : OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
FireWire/1394 Controller/Hub : VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Keyboard : Microsoft USB Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (IntelliType Pro)
Mouse : HID-compliant mouse
Human Interface : HID-compliant consumer control device
Human Interface : USB Human Interface Device
Human Interface : USB Human Interface Device
Human Interface : USB Human Interface Device

MultiMedia Device(s)
Device : Creative SB Audigy
Device : Creative Game Port
Device : Realtek AC'97 Audio

Printers and Faxes
Model : Microsoft Office Document Image Writer
Model : HP Photosmart 3200
Model : Adobe PDF

Power Management
AC Line Status : On-Line

Operating System(s)
Windows System : Microsoft Windows XP/2002 Professional (Win32 x86) 5.01.2600 (Service Pack 2)

Network Services
Adapter : Realtek RTL8139/810X Family Fast Ethernet NIC

Performance Tips
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

SiSoftware Sandra

System
Manufacturer : Shuttle Inc
Model : SB61V40
ID : 61FB9712-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF

Mainboard
Manufacturer : Shuttle Inc
MP Support : 1 CPU(s)
MPS Version : 1.40
Model : FB61V40
System BIOS : 11/09/2005-Springdale-G-6A79AH2AC-00
Chipset : Intel 865/848 (Springdale)

System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 4
Maximum Installable Memory : 4GB
Bank0/1 - A0 : Empty
Bank2/3 - A1 : Empty
Bank4/5 - A2 : DIMM Synchronous SDRAM 1GB/64
Bank6/7 - A3 : Empty

Chipset 1
Model : Holco Ent Co Ltd/Shuttle Computer 82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 134MHz (536MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 4x 200MHz / 2x 200MHz
Width : 64-bit
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes
IO Queue Depth : 12 request(s)

Chipset 1 Hub Interface
Type : Hub-Interface
Version : 1.50
Number of Ports : 3
Width : 8-bit
Full Duplex : Yes
Multiplier : 1/1x

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 4 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 1CMD
Bank 5 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 1CMD
Channels : 1
Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 5/4x
Width : 64-bit
Refresh Rate : 7.80µs
Performance Acceleration Technology : Yes
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No

APIC 1
Version : 2.00
Multiplier : 1/2x
Maximum Interrupts : 24
IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes
Enhanced Support : Yes

Memory Module(s)
Memory Module 3 : Corsair VS1GB400C3 1GB 16x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC3200U-333-700 (CL3 up to 200MHz) (CL2.5 up to 167MHz)

Environment Monitor 1
Model : ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 52.0°C / 125.6°F
CPU Temperature : 40.0°C / 104.0°F td
Power / Aux Temperature : 48.0°C / 118.4°F

Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
CPU Fan Speed : 4441rpm
Power / Aux Fan Speed : 4623rpm

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 1.49V
Aux Voltage : 1.49V
+3.3V Voltage : 3.23V
+5V Voltage : 4.92V
+12V Voltage : 11.73V
-12V Voltage : -11.95V
-5V Voltage : -0.78V
Standby Voltage : 4.92V
Battery Voltage : 3.18V

AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 3.00
Speed : 8x
Multiplier : 1/2x
Fast-Writes Enabled : Yes
Isochronous Mode Enabled : No
Addressing Enabled : 32-bit
Aperture Size : 64MB

PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.20
Number of Bridges : 2
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 2 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)

LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge
ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes
Delayed Transaction Enabled : Yes

USB Controller 1
Model : Holco Ent Co Ltd/Shuttle Computer 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2
Model : Holco Ent Co Ltd/Shuttle Computer 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 3
Model : Holco Ent Co Ltd/Shuttle Computer 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #3
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 4
Model : Holco Ent Co Ltd/Shuttle Computer 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #4
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 5
Model : Holco Ent Co Ltd/Shuttle Computer 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller
Version : 2.00
Specification : 1.00
Interface : EHCI
Channels : 8
Companion Controllers : 4
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support : 64-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

FireWire/1394 Controller 1
Model : Creative Labs Audigy 2 Firewire Controller
Version : 1.10
Interface : OHCI
Enhanced Support : No
Channels : 64
Speed : 400MHz

FireWire/1394 Controller 2
Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT6306 VIA Fire II IEEE-1394 OHCI Link Layer Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Enhanced Support : No
Channels : 64
Speed : 400MHz

System SMBus Controller 1
Model : Intel 801xx/63xx SMBus
Version : 0.02
Specification : 2.00
Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No
Slave Device Enabled : Yes
PEC Support : No
Speed : 100kHz

Expansion Slot(s)
PCI0 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Used (Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P, 82848P PCI-to-AGP Bridge)
PCI1 (2h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Used
PCI2 (3h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Used
PCI3 : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
AGP (8h) : AGP 32-bit +5V Full-Length Used (ATI Technologies ??? (71C2))

Port Connector
PRIMARY IDE : None - ATA / None
SECONDARY IDE : None - ATA / None
FDD : 8251 FIFO - Floppy Disk / None
COM1 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
COM2 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
LPT1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - DB-25 pin female / DB-25 pin female
Keyboard : Keyboard - PS/2 / PS/2
PS/2 Mouse : Mouse - PS/2 / PS/2
USB0 : USB - None / None
USB1 : USB - None / None

Performance Tips
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2511 : Some memory slots are free so the memory can be easily upgraded.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high. ************?????***********
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

250 W Power Supply :/

http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SB61G2%20V4.asp
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, the first thing I would be looking at is your PSU. You're running a rather power hungry rig with way too little power. I'm pretty sure the PSU included with your original Alienware case was at least 100w larger, if not a little more.

It would have helped if you'd told us this from the beginning........you don't have an Alienware rig, you have a home-built Shuttle setup.

I can trace your slowdown to three things.

One, is the low PSU rating. You need at least 350w to run that setup reliably. The XPS PSU is not up to the task of running two optical drives, a large HDD, and your X1600, along with a Northwood 3.06ghz. If your Shuttle mobo doesn't have the aux 4-pin 12v connector, I'll bet you're low on juice.

Two, swapping two sticks of 512mb RAM for one stick of 1gb RAM will slow you down. You're dealing with added latency, which can pile up.

Three, your Shuttle mobo might not be as efficient as the one in your original Alienware......the XPS was designed for a home theater PC.........small, but not fast.

I'm really gonna go out on a limb here, and say that your slowdown started when you changed your case, mobo, RAM, and PSU. Rather than upgrade, you downgraded yourself.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your mainboard temp (usually recorded from the nothbridge) is that high then it looks to me like your mainboard voltage regulators have gone screwy. I have seen this happen on a number of shuttle mobos. Power down your system after a fairly long use and touch the northbridge heatsink, if its too hot to touch then you will need a new mobo. I would recomend moving away from the shuttle setup I have seldom seen higher spec shuttles last longer than a year or so (only an old athlon 1600 XP I had once lasted longer and that was 2 years before the psu and mobo died). There are numerous other "micro" solutions to choose from though I would go for a full desktop as parts are cheaper and performance on full sized mobos is always better.

You have one of the best OCing CPUs ever made, don't cramp it in a shuttle with poor heat dispersion and poor power supply.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fussnfeathers wrote:
Ok, the first thing I would be looking at is your PSU. You're running a rather power hungry rig with way too little power. I'm pretty sure the PSU included with your original Alienware case was at least 100w larger, if not a little more.

It would have helped if you'd told us this from the beginning........you don't have an Alienware rig, you have a home-built Shuttle setup.

I can trace your slowdown to three things.

One, is the low PSU rating. You need at least 350w to run that setup reliably. The XPS PSU is not up to the task of running two optical drives, a large HDD, and your X1600, along with a Northwood 3.06ghz. If your Shuttle mobo doesn't have the aux 4-pin 12v connector, I'll bet you're low on juice.

Two, swapping two sticks of 512mb RAM for one stick of 1gb RAM will slow you down. You're dealing with added latency, which can pile up.

Three, your Shuttle mobo might not be as efficient as the one in your original Alienware......the XPS was designed for a home theater PC.........small, but not fast.

I'm really gonna go out on a limb here, and say that your slowdown started when you changed your case, mobo, RAM, and PSU. Rather than upgrade, you downgraded yourself.


Look at his nothbridge temps FnF, even in a shuttle thats WAY too high (unless sandra is reporting it wrong). Good point on the low power though shuttle sized PSUs are never overly powerful or stable.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really trust Sandra all that much on temps. Sandra is notoriously unreliable on mobo readings. If the Northbridge is really that hot, then there's a definite problem with the mobo............but it's really not a reliable monitor, it's running through Windows, which can screw up the readings.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hence why I suggested the touch test Sorry I singled you out in my post, I just wanted another opinion on the nothbridge temps
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