everything is messed up, help plz?

archaeic_bloke

ok so heres the deal, im running:
1 gig ocz pc4800 platinum dual channel (2x512) elite edition dual spec etc..
amd 939 3000+ (stock cooling)
thermaltake (version 1.0) 680 w psu
dfi lanparty UT sli-dr expert
xfx geforce 7800 gt 256 pcie

and heres the problem, ever since i dropped in my new expert mobo in place of the old plain sli-dr only mobo i been having problems, i knew it was to be expected because i was tyring to do it on the same version of windows, so.. i uised DBAN HDD nuke and wiped my disks clean, re-installed a fresh verson of windows with all the latest software and drivers. now... everything works well except for the fact that if i try to OC even the slightest bit (i mean voltage increase) the system becomes completely unstable, wont post, and then refuses to respond to the power on button until the psu is shut off and cmos reset... messed up i know, and heres the best part:

the program speedfan 4.27, which is used to monitor fan speeds, voltages, and mem/cpu usage, when i try to open it my system shuts its self off immediatley, every time, and again i have to shut off the psu and reset the cmos to get it to boot up,
and now for some reason yesterday when i was playing oblivion scrolls or w/e its called, i tried to open speedfan at the same time, and the system same problem but this time BSOD instead of windows welcome screen, : solution:
boot in safe mode and re-install video card drivers..
NOW I KNOW THIS IS MESSED UP
HELP IF U CAN PLZ,
thanks
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OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

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mojo1340 · UberTweaker Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 1022

The Expert board has an issue with any program when certain SMBIOS resources are accessed. Speedfan is one of these. To fix this, open the shortcut properties then add /nosmbscan to the tag "c:/....speedfan.exe".

I suspect your stability issues are related to Vdimm. If it's set to "AUTO" in the BIOS, you're probably not giving the memory enough voltage. I would set it to at least 2.8V, and if I'm not mistaken, this memory may like as much as 3V, but check it out before going too crazy.

You can Memtest from the BIOS.

Hope this helps! Very Happy

archaeic_bloke · Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject:

thanks i figured as much for the speedfan issue, but specifically where do i add that? just before speedfan.exe or anywhere?

and the memory is being run at 3.09 V, mem tested it from:
1) DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5
all the way to:
2)DDR630 @ 3-4-4-10,
memtest 86 did 3 passes on each setting and passed with flying colors, gaurunteed its not thememory, checking now the mobo voltages all have a variances of +/- 0.30V across all rails and seem to be shifting every few seconds, im suspicious of my PSU because of the fact that it refuses to start again untill the cmos is cleard, even stranger, the BSOD happened, and the power button would not activate the psu, so i took out the psu and shorted the pins for a jump sleft power on test.. NOTHING, it required a plugin to the mobo and a cmos reset to work again... this is F'd up.. any ideas? thermaltakes RMA process its absolutley horrendous
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

[KoG]^weaZel · Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:

I don't think it to be a psu issue. It is going to be a motherboard problem. And with it being the DFI Expert it may be hard to track down.
Did you have any trouble OCing on the old motherboard?
Are you sure you have the bios settings correct on the Expert?
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archaeic_bloke · Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject:

well, no, i didnt have this problem with the non expert motherboard, shouldnt the expert one be more stable? im rather confused... and why is it that i need to reset cmos to get the damn thing to boot again?
i can run up the FSB no problem, but as soon as i try OC'ing the CPU i experience this problem, the HTT/LDT multi is set correctly, and all the voltages seem to be ok, im just downloading the latest bios from DFI website ill try this and see what happens, but man is this ever confusing
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

[KoG]^weaZel · Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject:

That board was made for the extreme OCing crowd and marketed to the public. If you understand evereything about the board it is great but if not then it can be the worst motherboard you have ever owned.

I know Josh has gone thru his second DFI board and is now in the process of switching it out with an Asus. I know of others that have had the same thing. And if I remember right, Josh is having troubles just like what you are experiencing. And if that is the case you have a borked motherboard.
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mojo1340 · UberTweaker Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 1022

I have both Expert and non-Expert boards and have had no trouble with either.
I have a 3700+ @ 2700 MHz (Expert) and a Opteron 148 @ 2900 MHz.
Go here and look around, you'll find some help if you're prepared to do some work:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/index.php?s=

Pay special attention to this:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20823

Good luck!

archaeic_bloke · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:32 am Post subject:

i looked through a good portion of dfi-street, unfortunatley the topics that had my problem the only solution ppl found was to RMA the board, i hae upp the DRM voltage to 3.02V now, and i have flashed to the newset bios sucessfully, ive given up on speed fan and i suppose i will try and OC to see if i cant determine if the problem persists.

everyone keeps stressing how many "features" the expert mobo has, and because of this it is easy to screw up the settings, well im going to play devils advocate since i have tried both expert and non and go ahead and say the following:
the ONLY major changes between the expert and non, is that you have more options in terms of incremental voltages, its a more percise board, memory options are exactly the same, every other menu (integrated peripherals, advance features etc, boot priority etc,) are all the exact same, another change is that instead of massive jumpers u have to move around to enable DRM +4v or SLI switching, its all internal bios based..
HOWEVER, a HUGE difference is the mobo connectors
the non expert has a 24 pin power, 4 pin 12v, 4 pin floppy style, and 4 pin moelx, all going into the mobo to provide it with power,

the exper has a 24pin, a 8 pin +12v, and a 4 pin floppy style... since my old PSU doesnt have the 8pin 12, i was instructed by the manual to plug the 4pin +12v that i do have into only half of the 8 pin configuration..... i wonder if this could be the problem i was describing as insuffiecient and fluxating power? any thoughts anyone? (personally ive never seen an 8pin mobo connector before...)
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

mojo1340 · UberTweaker Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 1022

Xal · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:28 am Post subject:

Right click the shortcut to speedfan, click properties and add

/nosmbscan

to the end of the target field

"C:\Program Files\XXXX\speedfan.exe" /nosmbscan

That should sort the speedfan issue.

All I can suggest is that you try and find/ borrow a PSU with the 8pin connector and test the board. If its still borked then you will have to RMA.

Good luck

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1gb Powercolor Radeon HD 5850 @ Stock
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Nexus Fans
Custom case

[KoG]^weaZel · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:

That 8-pin connector is becoming more common now with the dual core cpu's coming out.
With you not having the 8-pin plug it could cause issues if you were going to do some extreme overclocking but with the modest amount you are after it shouldn't be an issue.
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archaeic_bloke · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject:

yah i wouldnt think it to be a problem iether, how ever lasat night the comp had a series of random restarts, its so weird, this is a first generation psu, im gonna make an attempt to contact TT again today and try to get this thing rma'd
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

archaeic_bloke · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject:

okay, so i see whats going on for sure now, they are not random restarts, the are BSOD's, in which my machine restarts after experiencing one. TT has an absolutley terrible RMA department, gaurunteed i will not stay a customer of theirs, although i do believe now that this oculd be a MOBO issue.. as it is not the ram, not CPU nor GPU, and the PSU certinaly seems ok,
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

[KoG]^weaZel · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:59 am Post subject:

what are the codes that you are getting with the BSOD?
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archaeic_bloke · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:55 am Post subject:

cant tell, they are far too quick at the reset, they dont even appear for more than one second... but i recognize a BSOD when i see one, it seems to happen more frequently when my case fans are off, or temps are allowed t climb a bit...
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

archaeic_bloke · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject:

saw the error code:
DRIVER_IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL_TO something....
xxx
xxxxx

not sure if thats enuff or not, but i can tell you it consistantly happens when im am using all of the following programs:

bit comet
bit comet accelerator
Excel
WMP 11 (beat editition)
MSN messanger

and it happens when i try to create a new folder and name it within a HDD
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

Xal · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

In your bios try dissable all onboard devices and install a network card. Try the apps again, it sounds like a conflict to me. If its stable and works OK with the devices disabled then try enable 1 at a time and chack for BSOD. If you find the culprit then see if you can change its IRQ and/or its DMA settings, if not then just dissable it and use an addon card or RMA the board.
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Phenom II x4 955 @ Stock
Asus M3N78-EM
4gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 667 @ 800
1gb Powercolor Radeon HD 5850 @ Stock
X-fi Extreme Audio PCI E
Nexus 600W Silent PSU
Nexus Fans
Custom case

archaeic_bloke · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject:

i dont know what DMa or IRQ setting are at all i dont even know what they stand for?
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

[KoG]^weaZel · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

well for starters turn off the automatic restart on fault option.

start->control panel->system->advanced->startup and recovery settings and uncheck automatically restart under system failure.
That way you can see what the BSOD is telling you.

Do as Karl was saying about turning off onboard devices and see if that helps.
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archaeic_bloke · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:01 am Post subject:

ok this is the actual BSOD message i recieve:

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

Stop: 0x000000D1 ( 0x00000064, 0x00000002, 0x00000001, 0xF2CB8548)

NVTCP.SYS - address F2CB8548 base at F2CAB000

DATE STAMP: 43515e7c

does that help at all?
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

Xal · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:24 am Post subject:

Yes, a lot. Go to the DFI support website and download the latest LAN drivers and install them being sure to remove the origional ones first. If that does not work, uninstall your network card (being sure to copy down all your settings, TCP/IP, gateway, DNS etc) then dissable the onboard LAN in BIOS. Install an addon LAN card, add in your settings and see if you still get an error. Sounds like a bad LAN driver or bad onboard LAN from that BSOD.
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Phenom II x4 955 @ Stock
Asus M3N78-EM
4gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 667 @ 800
1gb Powercolor Radeon HD 5850 @ Stock
X-fi Extreme Audio PCI E
Nexus 600W Silent PSU
Nexus Fans
Custom case

Xal · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:27 am Post subject:

Forgot to mention

NVTCP.sys is an Nforce LAN driver file. As I said before, dissable onboard LAN and install an addon LAN card.
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Phenom II x4 955 @ Stock
Asus M3N78-EM
4gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 667 @ 800
1gb Powercolor Radeon HD 5850 @ Stock
X-fi Extreme Audio PCI E
Nexus 600W Silent PSU
Nexus Fans
Custom case

archaeic_bloke · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject:

i figured it had to be somethign with the nforce LAN, thanks ill see what i can do
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT