Any Suggestions for a newbie ???

[MalteseGamer]

Hi got an AMD 3700+ San Diego and a MSI Mobo listed below , any suggestions for standard overclocking from the bios ??

My Case , Mobo and CPU run at 45 degrees celsius

Current - 2200 Ghz

Heard you can upgrade to 2800 Ghz from BIOS only .................................

Anyone ?
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

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[MalteseGamer]

Sorry the MOBO is an ASUS !!!!!! A8N-SLI

Current settings on AUTO however , standard js :

Multiplier x11
CPU 200
Volt 1.450 V

Any Tweaks ?
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

[mojo1340]

First of all, I do all overclocking from the BIOS. Some of the software solutions have gotten better lately, but I still don't trust them.

You will, more than likely, need to ralse some voltages to get to 2800, so you will need better cooling. What case, cpu cooler do you have?

[archaeic_bloke]

hello my freind, and welcome to tweak news,
good choice on processor, AMD's have really fallen down in price lately eh?
now about the OC:
i run a 3000+ 1.8 ghz, and i was able to OC to 2.6 ghz, stable enough to boot into windows and run some benches.. so i know the AMD can reach 2.8 pretty easily, so heres the thing:

1)you need to tell us what kind of memory your running, the speed, make, and latency,
2) if you wanna OC the processor, you should set your memory with a divider, maybe like 1/2 just so you dont have to muck around with it and its easy, so you wont be limited by the memory when u try proc OC
3)drop the LDT/HTT multiplier (NOT THE CPU MULTIPLIER) down to 4, instead of auto or 5, this is essential because the way its set now, :
AMD's love to run at 2000MT/s the way this number is calculated is as follows,
FSB x LDT multiplier X 2(for each 16 lanes up and down) soo, FSB = 200, stock multi is usually 5 sooo...
200 x 5 x 2 =2000 MT/s, a good range is between 1600 and 2000, and this number doesnt effect performance THAT much, its basically just for stability reasons you`ll want to drop the LDT multi.
4)start raising the FSB in 10mhz increments and boot into windows everytime and run like prime 95 to check for stability. (the test where it tests both memory and ram, i think the middle torture test). if it passes go back and raise FSB again..
5)when it fails P95, (and it will eventually) raise the voltage to the proc in as little increments at a time as possible, now with my CPU i use the winchester core, and how i got it to run with 1.675 V is crazy, and the temps never went above 45 degrees C under load, and i only have stock cooling.. , but anyway, you wont be as lucky as me, you NEED to watch the temps, and call it quits if its going above 50 i say.
6) OC is not a one day task, it takes many days of tinkering to find wut u are looking for, EVERY cpu behaves differently, it depends even on the humidity of the weather that day, so take it slow, and keep us posted, inform us of any issues.
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OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
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Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

[MalteseGamer]

SLOT # 1 & 2

module size 512 Mb
Max Bandwith PC3200
Manufacturer Kingston
Part No. K
Serial 652FEF5E
Correction NO
Registered NO
Buffered NO

SPD Timings

FREQ 133 166 200 Mhz
CAS 2.0 2.5 3.0
RAS 2 3 3
Ras Precharge 2 3 3
TRas 6 7 8



PAcked in a soprano case with cpu and mobo at 45c

Thanks
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

[mojo1340]

So, what CPU cooler do you have?

[fussnfeathers]

And what settings is your RAM running at now?
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[MalteseGamer]

HI Guys ,

First of all I want to thank you both for your support especially the Drummer
( Wicked Instrument play it myself) who helped me out on my previous PSU issue .

Have resetted and got my BIOS settings , first section is :


CPU CONFIGURATION


CPU Type AMD Athlon 64 Porcessor 3700+

CPU Speed 2200 Mhz

DRAM Configuration
MAX Memory Clock Mhz DDR 400
CAS# Latency (Tcl) AUTO
RAS# to CAS# Delay (Trcd) AUTO
Min RAS# active time (Tras) AUTO
Row Precharge Time (Trp) AUTO
MASTER ECC Enable OFF

Hyper Transport Frequency AUTO ( Should be x5 I Guess )


JUMPFREE CONFIG

Overclock Profile Manual
CPU Frequency 200 ( Did try and up this to 245 for 2700 Mhz
but windows did`nt boot guess as you said this is due to the RAM )
PCI Express Clock 100 Mhz
DDR Voltage AUTO
CPU Multiplier x 11
CPU Voltage AUTO



Cooling is stock AMD Cooler which on average runs at 42 c and is very silent but guess the 2 x 12cm Fans in Case also help with creating maximun airflow and less noise ( LOL I had 6 x 8 cm fan in my previous case and it sounded like an old chevy !!!! )

Dying to see it run at 2700 Mhz so I think what I got wrong previously was the memory timings as they are all on auto !!! Any suggestions ?????

Cheers Mates
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

[MalteseGamer]

Ha Ha Ha , now that was fun

Got enlightened by wat Archeic wrote ( ThANX )

Updated my memory settings as per CPU-Z Test to :

CAS - 3
RAS - 3
Precharge - 3
TRAS - 8

Also dropped the HTT Multiplier to x 4
Upped the CPU Frequency to 225

Therefore within range 225x4x2=1800

Voltage upped to 1.450 v

TEMPERATURE still at 42 C

Upped the speed to 2480 Mhz up by 280 Mhz which is not bad !!!

Tried setting the CPU to 230 but it reset to a blue screen (Kernel fault) so I decided to leave it at that before your advice because I dont want to F up a rig that cost me more than 2 weeks wages !!

Downloading 3DMark 05 for stress test and will post score if it doesnt blow up !!

When Archeic said divide the mem settings , what should I hange them to from the aabove ?

Ta
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

[MalteseGamer]

System Very Unstable !!!!

3DMark05 crashed and I think its memory related as all screens crashed after

Reverted back to stock except for memory timings ...................
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

[archaeic_bloke]

ok so if i were you, i would :
1)where it says "MAX Memory Clock Mhz DDR 400 "
try setting it to 75% of that or 3/4 or it might have a setting DDR 333, this is because memory speed is calculated as follows:
FSB x 2 = DDR Value, your memory should run at DDR 400

soo, if you want to achive say 2.4 ghz
try the following as an example:
FSB = 220
CPU multi = 11x
SPEED = 220 x 11 = 2420
*Memory speed if you dont adjust divider** = 220 x 2 = 440, thats a huge oc for memory, so.. use a 9/10 th's divider because 220 x 9 / 10 = 198 x 2 = DDR 396,
use loose memory timimng,s AMD's love 1T this is usually Command Per Clock, (CPC) enabled = 1T, and disablede = 2T, set it to enabled... and memory timimngs as follows: 2-3-3-8, then your memory should be ok.
now the LDT/HTT multi, set it to 4x,= (220 x4 ) x2 = 1760 MT/s (within the acceptable range)
and try from there, just make sure u use a memory divider that makes your ram stay close to the DDR 400 value, and a LDT/HTT multi that keeps it within range, then you can test CPU, NEVER CHANGE PCI EXPRESS FREQUENCY ABOVE 100MHZ!, try 2.4 ghz and see how this goes, if you still expeirience instability try and up the voltage REALY slowly. let us know how u do.
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

[fussnfeathers]

^^^ What he said.

The ideal situation for CPU OC'ing is to keep your memory at as close to stock speeds as possible.........RAM just doesn't OC very well, and, as AB found out recently, even the best stuff might not give you much room to move.

If your BIOS doesn't give you the option to lock your PCI/PCIe bus speed, then you'll be rather limited on how far you'll be able to go with an OC. Everytime you raise your FSB, you also increase the PCIe speed.
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[ToggleHead]

no need for me to contibute here...this is all good info....

after you set your memory down....if you still have stability issues....try upping your voltage one more notch.....if you dont get good results...back it down again and try a different FSB setting.....but sometimes....sacrificing a degree or two with temp, will get you the stability you need....
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[archaeic_bloke]

i believe the asus A8N -SLI (the board hes running) does allow independant pcie frequency setting, so malteese just leave the PCIe bus speed alone..lol, ive actually been experimenting with my PCIe bus frequency lately and am comming to an interesting conclusion, it only makes thing sless stable..lol

so yah try just the CPU, then once u find the max CPU, you can try for MAX ram, and then after max ram you go for a maximum of CPU, /HTT/DRAM speed, and thats your best OC, you want a balance, like a pefect situation would be
FSB = 250
sooo:
CPU speed = 250 x 11 = 2750
LDT multi = 4x
LDT/HTT speed = 250 x 4 x 2 = 2000 MT/s (perfect)
DRAM divider = 4/5
DRAM Speed = 250 x 4 /5 = 200 x 2 = DDR400 @ like 2-3-3-8 maybe 2.8v 1T CPC

so thats a decent OC, maybe thats the perfect one for u? lol you could prolly do this one very well and be very pleased with it, it would be ultra stable, you may need more voltage in the CPU and MAAAYBE some more voltage in the chipset, but eveyrhting else should run very well.. good luck

oh yah and dont try to surpass the 2000MT/a limit because weather u run 1600 MT/s or 2000 it is really alreadey WAY more bandwidth then our pcs can use so it doesnt make a diff, ive tried OC'ing the LDT actually and you can see 2200MT/s stable but u need more voltage into it, i had mine almost maxed voltage, and still i didnt see any improvement iun scores so its irrelevant.,

-AB
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My setupd:
OCZ DDR600 EL Platinum extreme edition
DFI lanparty UT SLI-DR eXpert
Athlon 64 3000+
PSU Thermaltake 680w
Armor case
Logitech Lx700
WD -SATA 37G 10k + 250G SATA Caviar SE16
Plextor PX716SA
XFX GeForce 7800 GT

[MalteseGamer]

HI Guys ,

Thank again for that have my CPU running at 2695 Mhz


CPU CONFIGURATION


CPU Type AMD Athlon 64 Porcessor 3700+

CPU Speed 2200 Mhz

DRAM Configuration
MAX Memory Clock Mhz DDR 333
CAS# Latency (Tcl) 2
RAS# to CAS# Delay (Trcd) 3
Min RAS# active time (Tras)3
Row Precharge Time (Trp) 8
MASTER ECC Enable ON

Hyper Transport Frequency x4


JUMPFREE CONFIG

Overclock Profile Manual
CPU Frequency 245
PCI Express Clock 100 Mhz
DDR Voltage 2.8 V
CPU Multiplier x 11
CPU Voltage 1.465 V



Cooling is stock AMD Cooler and

CPU 43C
MOBO 44C


3DMark 05 - 8250 marks


Should this be good for my setup or ??

Display Drivers 81.98


Cheers Mates
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

[ToggleHead]

mobo temp is a little high for my liking......but i think its in the OK zone for those 64's...those temps at idle? or load?

Have ou checked the whole thing for math stability...? Prime 95 for hours and housr?
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[MalteseGamer]

45 C Both under load , apparently its the norm on these procs/mobos .

Regarding 3DMark Score should I score higher with my setup ??

Wil run Prime 95 tomorrow and tell you what happens

Cheerz
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AMD 3700+ 64 bit San Diego
ASUS A8N-SLI PCI-e
Kingston DDR400 PC3200 1 GB RAM
XFX 7800 GTX 256MB PCI-e
AUDIGY 4 - 24 bit
Antec 550 W True Power SE 2.0
Packed neatly in a ThermalThake Soprano Case

[ToggleHead]

oh at LOAD...then those temps are fine.....my mistake...=]
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[JayDubya]

Sounds good. Just run P95 and check for stability right now. You'll definately need the memory/bus speed dividers for that ram.

Keep an eye on those temps still. Nice OC btw
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