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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:54 pm    Post subject: Adding more RAM Reply with quote

I already have 1gig (2x512) of RAM in duel channel. I wanted to know if I add another stick of the same kind of RAM will it mess with the duel channel settings? My specs are in my sig. I need more RAM for BF2...Im having random restarts of the PC. I know that topic should go under games.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding more RAM Reply with quote

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I already have 1gig (2x512) of RAM in duel channel. I wanted to know if I add another stick of the same kind of RAM will it mess with the duel channel settings? My specs are in my sig. I need more RAM for BF2...Im having random restarts of the PC. I know that topic should go under games.


You add them in pairs.

Only way you can do it is to add two more sticks. Adding one will screw things up.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^as Nathan has said only add in pairs.

And the random restarts I wouldnt think would be caused by only having a gig of ram. You my friend, I believe you are having troubles elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the random restarts happen every once & a while. Not all the time. I've monitor the PSU rails while playing BF2. I've watched both rails that feed the gpu..the main rail that feeds the board... the four pin cpu rail... all good. They fluctuate +/- .02 volts. Heat is not a problem either. I might be o/ced too high.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BattleField 2 needs at least 2GB of ram to run properly with even a small amout of graphics features turned on, saying that 1GB of ram is enough now a days is starting to not be true anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxide wrote:
Well the random restarts happen every once & a while. Not all the time. I've monitor the PSU rails while playing BF2. I've watched both rails that feed the gpu..the main rail that feeds the board... the four pin cpu rail... all good. They fluctuate +/- .02 volts. Heat is not a problem either. I might be o/ced too high.


Do you have the memory set to 3-8-4-4?

Do you have your AGP and PCI bus locked to 66/33?

Do you have your memory voltage set to 2.8volts?

Do you have your CPU voltage set to around 1.6v?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why 3-8-4-4? 2-3-3-6 1T is the best ram timeings for PC3200
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FTR that depends on the ram.

And also to say BF2 has to have 2 gb is false. I have five systems with "just" 1gig of ram and they run the game fine with high detail settings. Three of the systems will run it at 16x12 with high detail at very playable frame rates. The video cards in these systems consist of 5950s to 6800U.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why 3-8-4-4? 2-3-3-6 1T is the best ram timeings for PC3200


You never overclock with tight ram timings.

You ALWAYS relax your memory timings completely so you can get the best overclock possible.

Also, you will get more performance out of an higher overclocked system rather than keeping a lower overclock and tightening the ram timings.

Only worry about keep the ram timings tight if you are keeping everything stock speed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FTR that depends on the ram.

And also to say BF2 has to have 2 gb is false. I have five systems with "just" 1gig of ram and they run the game fine with high detail settings. Three of the systems will run it at 16x12 with high detail at very playable frame rates. The video cards in these systems consist of 5950s to 6800U.
do you have dynamic lightening at max? if you do you, your frames would not be playable with a 5950 my 6600GT ownes a 5950 in everything possible and i get aobut 45 FPS at 1280X1024 with everything up all the way and with dynamic lighting at max.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you have 2 gigs of ram?
And I didn't say what res that the 5950's use either. The 6800U could still do more than 16x12 but just havent gotten around to messing with it.
What I am trying to say is; there is no justification in saying that you NEED 2 gigs to be able to run BF2. It helps, but is not needed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you have the memory set to 3-8-4-4?

Do you have your AGP and PCI bus locked to 66/33?

Do you have your memory voltage set to 2.8volts?

Do you have your CPU voltage set to around 1.6v?


No, 2.5-7-3-3

Yes

Yes

No, 1.56v

I've been running like that for a long time now. Never had any probs till BF2. Well its not a problem just happens very seldomly...like once every week or less.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Touch your NB...is it hot? You got an IC7 mobo with one of them little blue nb fans....I took their little fan off the HS and put a 40 or 50 mm over the top of mine on my MAX3. Anyway make sure that little fan is running at full speed, is clean and maybe even a drop-O-AS5 wouldn't hurt. With that kind of OC on that board watch that northbridge.
You could always add a waterblock if you wanted...just for fun.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ agreed on most counts.

Back your timings off. OC'ing really needs that extra latency to account for the faster RAM speed. 2.5t is just too fast.

Also agreed with 2O, check to make sure your NB fan is running properly. Since BF2 and games like it are very processor heavy, it'll heat up a bit more than normal.

And no, you do not need 2gb of RAM. I got the demo, just for kicks, and with everything on high, at 1280x1024, I get a playable 30fps. And that's with a mildly OC'd 9600Pro. Of course, it sreams like a woman when it sees the BF2 code coming............... Oh yeah, and only 1gb of RAM. I think this was covered before, though.

I'm leaning toward too-tight timings, myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. Im going to try loosening the timings. I just had it that way cuz I let te Bios deside on that. As for the NB, Im planing on water cooling it as well.
My rig does pretty good on FPS. I get like 99-96 playing online.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxide wrote:
Thanks guys. Im going to try loosening the timings. I just had it that way cuz I let te Bios deside on that. As for the NB, Im planing on water cooling it as well.
My rig does pretty good on FPS. I get like 99-96 playing online.


Yea, just relax your memory timings when you are overclocking for a faster and more stable computer.

BF2 works the system hard so any small weaknesses will be brought to the surface.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually before you back off your memory timings run one very easy test. Memtest86+ if your memory is the problem this will show it in short order. If you can run this for at least 12 hours and there are no errors then your memory is not the source of the problems.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^^^ agreed on most counts.

Back your timings off. OC'ing really needs that extra latency to account for the faster RAM speed. 2.5t is just too fast.

Also agreed with 2O, check to make sure your NB fan is running properly. Since BF2 and games like it are very processor heavy, it'll heat up a bit more than normal.

And no, you do not need 2gb of RAM. I got the demo, just for kicks, and with everything on high, at 1280x1024, I get a playable 30fps. And that's with a mildly OC'd 9600Pro. Of course, it sreams like a woman when it sees the BF2 code coming............... Oh yeah, and only 1gb of RAM. I think this was covered before, though.

I'm leaning toward too-tight timings, myself.
30fps is not playable for BF2, and trust me if you enable the dynamic lighting to high you will not get 30fps.
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Oh, I'm sorry, FtR, I forgot that I'm a moron that can't figure out how to adjust game settings, run FRAPS, or anything like that.

I know, I know, I should bow to the all-seeing, all-knowing GOD of BF2. My bad. I'll go back to hand-cranking my old IBM PS2 and playing Oregon Trail.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreeTheRock wrote:
fussnfeathers wrote:
^^^ agreed on most counts.

Back your timings off. OC'ing really needs that extra latency to account for the faster RAM speed. 2.5t is just too fast.

Also agreed with 2O, check to make sure your NB fan is running properly. Since BF2 and games like it are very processor heavy, it'll heat up a bit more than normal.

And no, you do not need 2gb of RAM. I got the demo, just for kicks, and with everything on high, at 1280x1024, I get a playable 30fps. And that's with a mildly OC'd 9600Pro. Of course, it sreams like a woman when it sees the BF2 code coming............... Oh yeah, and only 1gb of RAM. I think this was covered before, though.

I'm leaning toward too-tight timings, myself.
30fps is not playable for BF2, and trust me if you enable the dynamic lighting to high you will not get 30fps.


Ok...right or wrong....do you EVER entertain the fact that someone else might actually know what theyre talking about, even if you dont agree....

if i could give warnings, this would be yours.....
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the game is playable, then it's playable. Surprisingly enough, some people can play games at 30FPS
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fussnfeathers wrote:
I know, I know, I should bow to the all-seeing, all-knowing GOD of BF2. My bad. I'll go back to hand-cranking my old IBM PS2 and playing Oregon Trail.


Man I havent played that game since 4th grade!!!!

I'll fixxed it. My Vcore needed to be at 1.6v. Mem test for 24 hours..No errors. Timmings at 3-8-4-4. All is well now. BTW, I play GTA: San Andreas at 25 fps. (Frame Limiter On) Whats wrong with that?
Again thanks for the help guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would seriously love to see anyone play BF2 at 30fps and try to fly in a plane or kill something trust me i have tried it before, you need at least 50+ to be able to play in a way to where you can actualy do something.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i would seriously love to see anyone play BF2 at 30fps and try to fly in a plane or kill something trust me i have tried it before, you need at least 50+ to be able to play in a way to where you can actualy do something.


that is your opinion and your experience. Someone else will probably disagree with you on that. But it all goes back to your skill level and your config. I have seen someone take an integrated SiS graphics powered box and run over a 100 fps in Quake3. Granted it was in black and white, but he still played and played very well. So like I said it is all in the skill level.

Now drop this from this thread. It doesnt belong here.

Sorry for the thread crap Nox. Glad that you got it sorted, it was probably the vcore all along.
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Its cool weaz. I learn things from yalls arguments.
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