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pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

alright guys... help me out... I know I'll probably need really good fans eventhough I have 7 80x80x25 fans on my case. intel p4 3.06 ghz, corsair xms pc3200 dual channel 2x512 ddr ram, geforce fx 5900 ultra, 120 gigs 7200 rpm hd. I want it to run around 30-35 deg C. Suggestions?

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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

watercooling if you want it that low.
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DMW · SirTweaksabit Joined: 16 May 2002 Posts: 457

nothing you have listed is going to generate an REAL heat....
case temps are the only thing that are going to maintain a temp that low....providing that you keep the unit in a nice air conditioned room.
the CPU's idle temp alone is like to reach those readings.

water cooling or Thermal Take has a HSF/TC combo out there......

you can loose a few of the fans......the load they put on the PS probably produces more heat than most of your other parts combined.

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

DMW,

The heat produced by the PSU is instantly evacuated from the case and does not contribute to case temperature.

To get a 35 degree CPU temp, you are going to have to insert some watercooling. That will be the only way.
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pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

DMV, my case is a thermaltake... HSF/TC combo? sorry, plz elaborate.

water cooling might be a little too much, I was looking at the thermal electric cooling... will that work? I guess it doesn't have to be that low... I really don't want resort to thermal cooling.

lol editing again... hmmm after looking at the demo, I think my xaser III comes with the thermal electric cooling unit.. does it?

someone here have the xaser III case?

icyrus76 · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:09 am Post subject:

did you use Artic Silver 3? that will help..cuz from what i'm reading..that temperature is pretty high for a P4 considering i'm running an AMD at that speed and lower..and if possible, can you give us some information on how ur air flow works.

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pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

after comparing prices, I think I'll go with liquid cooling. since it's cheaper... but the liquid cooling only takes care of the cpu, right? I still need the fans... but isn't the sensor attached to the cpu? How should I go about that?

is liquid cooling hard to install? I know it's kinda risky cause, well it's water... any other major problems? I'm almost certainly going to buy the thermaltake liquid cooling system.

and liquid cooling cools better than thermal electric right?

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robin338 · TweakNOOB Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 34

TECs with HSFs? Gosh that would awfully noisy. Not to mention a substantial drain on a power supply (which pbian did not say).

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

True, TEC (aka peltier units) do use quite a bit of power. In most normal scenarios, watercooling is the best bet.
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eli · SirTweaksabit Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 256

Are you overclocking? Intels normaly run cooler then AMD's. You could probably get those temps with a SLK-900, and a good 90mm fan, but water cooling sounds good. You just need to get the right one. For those temps, I would recommend getting a DangerDen system. They are afordable, and perform great. You could always get your own parts though.

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Very good submission eli. Danger den systems are a great choice for the money and should get your system running cooler than ever.
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pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

well thnx for all the imput, but I think I'll hold off on that water cooling idea (not to mention another 100+ bucks) for later... think I'll just get a heatsink/fan, I decided it was worth it since a thermaltake spark 7 can cool just as well (if not better) than the same company's liquid cooling unit. 42 db though... oh well good stuff.

FYI, newegg's samsung 191T's price dropped 30 bucks 630 for the monitor... insane.

XS|CCW · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 22 Location: UK

Definetly do not go for a Air cooled TEC unit. These do not cool very well, they do not even need condensation protection. The cooler you keep a TEC, the better it will cool. With proper TECs you can expect temps way lower than ambient. TECs are often called "Peltiers" as this is the surname of the person that invented them.

Watercooling doesnt have to be expensive, especially if you do it getto, i.e. a large bucket instead of a radiator and reservoir, LOL.

Good aircooling suck as the SLK series coupled with a decent 92mm fan, something that will blow 40 - 50 cfm of air should do the trick.

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bigkissfan1973 · TweakNOOB Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 6

Hey guys... don't know what works for you ... but I'm running a P4 2.6 HT (over clocked to 3.12!!), Asus P4P800 Deluxe, 1024 Mb DDR 400 MHz, one 120 gig and three 80 gig 7200 rpm hard drives, cd burner, dvd burner, 2 case fans (one in front and one in back), 400 watt pwr sup, 1 hard drive cooler and my CPU cooler is a thermaltake Spark 7 turning 4500 rpm and my CPU temp never goes above 30 degrees Celsius, right now it is at 26 degrees, if I crank the spark 7 up to 5500 rpm it drops to 24-25, after that the fan just gets too damn noisy.

So I don't think you'll need water cooling - and I believe the comment about removing some fans to take the load off your power supply isn't a bad idea.

Hope that helps!
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

True, but there are other things you have to worry about overheating than your CPU. Overclocking the P4 is through the FSB which is the ram. So in essence, you are not really stressing the CPU anyway.

But, the ram can get warm and become unstable or your videocard can freeze due to high case temperatures not allowing the videocard to cool properly.
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CooLJoE · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:48 am Post subject:

Also, temps of your CPU depend on your ambient room temperature. If your room is cool, your going to get lower temps than someone with a warm room.

I know this as my room likes to trap heat. If I leave my door closed, the cpu temps will rise on both my comps. If I leave the door open, the room cools down (venting) and the cpu temps drop.
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bigkissfan1973 · TweakNOOB Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 6

Also very true - but my case and mobo temp are running 29 degrees Celsius - so it's not having a large effect on any of my temps - but I do have a full 18" case and I have routed all my cables neatly to provide the best possible airflow in my case and I do know how ell water/liquid cooling does work - but on little failure and ZAP!!! @#%! the whole thing is fried - think that’s why I stick with air cooling.

My room temp is running 33 degrees right now - but it seems to have only a minor effect on my system.

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bigkissfan1973 · TweakNOOB Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 6

Hi all,

I have 4 different ways I get my temps, Speedfan 4.09, Asus Probe 2.20.02 and right from the bios all are within a degree of each other. The last way is a digital laser thermometer that automotive shops use to get temps from engines and catalitic converters and it gives me reading bang on with my Speedfan readings.

Plus Like I said I have really good airflow in my case tested it with smoke from a fog machine (yes I own one) to trace the route of the air. I figure the reason my board is hotter is cuz I have the ram overclocked to make my cpu 3.12 and my cpu is low because the Spark 7 does an awesome job.

No my room isn't air conditioned the temp of the room right now is: 29 degrees, the cpu is 27, the mobo is 29, hard drive 1 is 18, hard drive 2 is 18, hard drive 3 is 27 and hard drive 4 is 28.

Not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes, I do this for a living - i build and sell systems and I am a cooling fanatic - it's why i switched from AMD back to Intel - amd's run too damn hot for my liking (yes I know why - I just don't like all that heat).

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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Oh man, I thought up a kewl kewl review addition for cases.

A fog machine to test airflow!!

WOOT!!!!
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-.-PhanTom-.- · TweakNOOB Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 136

Kewl.... I actually had this idea about a year ago... but couldn't find anyone willing to set up that kind of test.... well, I suggested a smoke machine, and then with some UV light on the whole setup....with a full plexiglas casemodded sidepanel...
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DMW · SirTweaksabit Joined: 16 May 2002 Posts: 457

I thought that's how most people do it....I've seen a number of people using this method to track airflow....hmmmm

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I belive that you are telling what you think is the truth....but the fact of the matter is that you cannot cool an item to a lower temperature than device (in this instance, the air inside your case) you are using to supply the process.

It's like saying the HSF has a thermal property that maintains a lower temperature than the ambient air....it just cannot happen (not with copper).
I am not trying to bust your balls here, it's just a fundamental property of Thermal Dynamics...copper is a great conductor...but it has no ability remove or dissiptate heat energy on it's own. It too must be cooled, or it will assume the temperature of any device it is attached to.
That is what the "wicking" process does.

As for the higher MOBO temps...well, placement of the diode that report the temp could be placed in close proximity to a heat source like near your three uncooled HDDs, or in an area where you have less air flow.

Without using a mechanical device like a thermal probe UNDER the HSF and ON the core....you'll never truly know the temp of the CPU. Try a DigiDoc or similar device.
Software is bogus and your meter is only measuring the Volcano itself. Granted they all can get you close, infact maybe close enuf for most people.
Removing the copper plate over the core of the CPU would be a plus too...if it weren't for the danger of cracking the core.

But just remember that in no instance can the CPU temp be lower than the air temp inside the case, if you are using the air in the case to do the cooling.

I do agree that the AMD line is hotter and probably more so than they need to be. My own chip never exceeds 40C and has a thermal limit of 85C....so this seems to be an adequate performer if it means that I avoid "feeding the machine" that intel has become.