All in Wonder 9700 Pro ...CD Audio internal connector.....

Jakobud · TweakNOOB Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 5

So I have the AIW 9700 Pro. It's a super nice product. I love it. However I don't like the fact that in order to get any sound when watching the TV Tuner you have to run a line from the AIW to your Line In on your sound card. I use my Line In for other things...while I can get a merger or something I did notice in the manual talking about the internal CD Audio connection. You know how you run the CD Audio connector from the back of the CD/DVD ROM to a connection on your Soundcard so you can hear Audio CD's when played in the drive? Well this is sort of like that. It's just an internal sound connection that is made to connect to the CD Audio connection on your soundcard. (except the connector is a little bit smaller than normal connectors on back of CDROMS). So I bought this little multi-connection harness that runs from my CDAudio connection on Soundcard, to the AIW9700 Pro CDAudio connection, THEN to my DVD Drive. So I thought this would give me sound in the TV Tuner...but it didn't....I even choose CD Input as the source channel for sound....but no luck. So I put in an Audio CD in my DVD Drive. I could hear it just fine. So I know it's not the wire. It's like I might have to somehow 'enable' the CD Audio connection on the AIW or something....has anyone messed with this? The manual gives very very little info on this connection and doesn't help at all.
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

At radio shack you can buy a splitter for your line in port. Therefore you can use you line in port for TV and other purposes. They are really cheap and it would be a simpler solution to your problem.
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Jakobud · TweakNOOB Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 5

Yeah I am quite aware of line splitters. But I would also like to figure out my problem with the CD Audio connector.
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

No offense intended dude, but I think you are really making things a lot more complicated than they have to be.

Why dont you split the "line in" so you can run both of your connectors in and then connect your DVD drive to your CD connector on your soundcard, that is all that is needed. You don't have to patch it through the videocard.
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Jakobud · TweakNOOB Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 5

Haven't you ever wanted to get something to work even though it's not absolutely necessary?? The audio connector is there for a reason and I'd like to try to use it. If I contact ATI do you think they are going to tell me "Why don't you just get a line splitter?"...
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

I like keeping things simple and effective.

I strictly follow the KISS principle: KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

Doing things the hard way does one of two things:

1.) Frustrates you to the point of no enjoyment.
2.) Possible component or system configuration failure or corruption. If it happens, see point#1.

If you have the means of making things simple, I would recommend doing so. Doing things the hard way usually just leads to trouble.

I my self split the line-in and have enjoyed this product.
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Jakobud · TweakNOOB Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 5

That's called laziness in my profession.
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Thanks bud, I try to help you and you insult me.
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Jakobud · TweakNOOB Joined: 17 Apr 2003 Posts: 5

Oh I wasn't trying to insult you. I just think it's lazy to work around things when they don't work right. I'm lazy and I do it all the time. I just want the product to work like it's suppose to...the CD Audio connector is there to send audio to your soundcard and it's like it has to somehow be enabled or something but nowhere in the manual does it explain any of this.
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gte217e · TweakNOOB Joined: 25 Apr 2003 Posts: 1

Look on the AIW card. I have the 8500DV AIW. Make sure the connector you plug into on the AIW card is the CD-IN or AUX-IN. You may need to open your computer up with a flashlight and a mirror in order to see under the card.

Bottom line is, the card is labelled with the type of input you are using at the connector, so just choose that. If it still doesn't work I suggest you buy a new one from circuit city and test it out. If the sound works, then you know you're problem... a faulty card.

And also make sure you are plugging the connector to the OUTput of the sound card.

Also try it out on another computer.

ljroller · TweakNOOB Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 5

With my Asus board, the onboard sound has both a cd connection and an aux connection, so my cd drive is connected, AND the AIW 9700 Pro is connected to the aux... took a whole 2 seconds to set up, and works with out a problem.... no laziness involved

alexvdl · SirTweaksabit Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 311

KISS is good and all but there is a point where there is ELEGANCE involved. Keeping it simple would never have us TOUCH the bios and just run the computer as is. But no we want it to be OURS so we play around with it, we tweak it, we make it do what we want to. There are a LOT of people who I help at the Shack that know perfectly well that they could kludge it together. But that's poitnless. These people want it to look elegant. To LOOK elegant.

I perfectly understand what he was trying to do. Nathan, you gave him an opinion and then when he didn't want to take that route you told him he was wrong for wanting to do it his way and that you way was simpler and better.

When installing car stereo stuff I had a problem adapting my six and a halfs into the stock opening which was six and 3/4ths. I took out the stock speakers and removed the actual speaker part to get me the plate. That's one situation where I could've Kept It Simple by just buying speakers with 6 3/4ths holes on them. Then I had to figure out how to get them to connect to the stock system. I ended up taking the time to solder the speaker to the stock speaker connection on the adapter plate and then ziptying the speaker to the plate. I could've ran a wire from the speaker out of the plate and just stuck the bare wire into the connector piece and then glued it to the plate. That would've been simple. But my way means that in the future I could upgrade it. Not to mention it's MUCH less likely to vibrate apart. In that case keeping it simple wouldn'tve worked and probably would've led to more problems down the road.

What happens if he gets ANOTHER item that uses the line in port? Is he supposed to split one of the connections AGAIN to use all three? If he can use an internal connector that's great. If you have five USB devices and you have a motherboard with four external jacks, and two internal headers, it's simpler to use a USB HUB. But it's more elegant to mod in two more external connectors (if your case doesn't already have'em). We're a bunch of tweakers. Keeping it simple is sometimes the OPPOSITE of what we want.
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MikefromMI · TweakNOOB Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 6 Location: Michigan

I've been told the connectors on the drives output digital while the output to your card (line in) in is analog. Haven't confirmed. But I had the same problem. Just get the splitter like heir saying.
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Roger · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:34 pm Post subject:

alex, keeping it simple does not apply to elegance. it applies to getting a job done that needs to be done. period. diving into a BIOS has nothing to do with elegance (sorry, but that analogy just doesn't fit here). changing your BIOS has to do with wanting more from your system, certainly... but fixing a sound issue isn't about wanting to push your system to the max... it's about fixing the damn sound. hence, KISS. fix the sound. if something as simple as splitting a wire fixes the sound, then that's a lot simpler than having to dick around inside the case for days trying to figure out what else it could possibly be. granted, if that's what the person wants to do because they like solving the puzzle, then good for them... let them dive in and fix the source of the problem. hell, we'll be glad to hear what the issue was. but do not discount the effectiveness of KISS when working on computers. I have to service over 300 desktops, several servers, a monster of a patch pannel and routers and switches gallore, oh my. and my office is small compared to a lot of larger corporations. i don't have time to tinker with every system if there's a minor problem. if i can solve the issue with a simple solution, you'd better believe that's what i'm going to opt for. if the issue comes up again due to a hardware expansion of sorts, then i'll deal with it then. for now, it works. something else which you didn't consider is the fact that you cannot plan too far in advance when it comes to technology. it changes too rapidly, frankly. regarding your speaker example, certainly that is planning for the future... and due to the nature of that type of electronics, you will be able to make use of that for quite a few years to come. but the same cannot be said for computer technology.
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Alex, this question was answered and dropped in April. Why are you bringing up an old thread to argue about.

Let it be and move on.
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alexvdl · SirTweaksabit Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 311

I didn't bring it up. if you noticed someone else did.........

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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:58 pm Post subject: Mine is easier

I really don't appreciate being being yelled at without cause. I put my 2 cents in on a thread that was in your "recent topics" box that's on the main page. I didn't bring anything up that I didn't think wasn't being debated currently.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure discussion is the point of the forum.

ON another note Roger you bring up a good point. In your situation perfectionism isn't necessary and can be unproductive. But for someone who's working on their own personal rig, I don't think that it's unreasonable for them to want everything perfect, ya know? Many a time I can figure a workaround or make do with less but it's my box and I want it to work to the best of it's ability. SO I'll f*ck with it for hours or days till it works.
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CooLJoE · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 8:30 pm Post subject:

Using a splitter is not always the best idea. Infact when you split an audio signal, it degrades. And in this case, you can even cause feedback between the two items that are being spliced together into the single line-in connetor.

So I would recommend against using a splitter if there is a way to avoid it. Which in this case is the AIW internal audio connector.

My guess is that its either faulty or not turned on (though I have no idea how you would turn it on). The way that gte27e mentioned is backwards. Your OUTPUTTING from the AIW and INPUTTING into the soundcard. So what you need to do is go from the OUTPUT connector on the AIW to an INPUT connector on the sound card.

Generally sound cards have 2 internal input connectors (atleast mine do...some don't though). If you have 2, use 1 for the AIW and 1 for the CD-ROM. If you only have one, go from CD-ROM to AIW INPUT connector. Then go from AIW OUTPUT connector to the soundcard INPUT connector (usually labeled CD-IN or AUX-IN).

I've done this situation before since pretty much all TV cards do this same setup. And I've had 3 different TV cards myself and 2 guys at work have TV cards as well.
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Roger · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:06 pm Post subject:

alexvdl · SirTweaksabit Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 311

EDIT: CoolJoe fixed the issue I brought up.

But line degradation and ground loops are definitely an issue when using splitters and connecting pieces in a continuous (sic) loop to each other. Not always going to be bad but it can be.
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CooLJoE · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 12:52 am Post subject:

Yup, I fixed it.
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