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LOGITECH Z-5500 5.1 DIGITAL 500WATT RMS SPEAKER SYSTEM
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I would like to have seen mentioned in the review was the reviewer's experience between the analog and digital connections. I have read things about these speakers such as the digital connection only gives 5.1 sound in DVD movies and music but that it does not give 5.1 in games nor does EAX work in digital mode. To get 5.1 (and EAX) in games, the analog connection has to be used. (I have the Audigy 2 ZS).


That is not the fault of the speaker system. It is at the sound card level. The soundcard doesnt output 5.1 (or EAX) through the digital out when playing games that dont have Dolby Digital 5.1 encoding. Anything else that has that encoding like DVD's you get the full benefit of your digital connection.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what's the moral of the story? This system is so loud it will piss even deaf people off.......


Now that has got to be, by far, the best compliment you can give a sound system.

Great review Nate. I take it you're keeping the z5500's and getting rid of z680's now eh?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be hard to let this beauties go.

Just an amazing set of speakers pure and simple.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First post here. Great site by the way. Your speaker reviews linked on shacknews drew me in and now I'll be visiting regularly. Keep it up.

As for comparing these speakers to the z-680's, the 5500's have a larger subwoofer, do they not? From what I've read the 680's only have an 8 inch woofer whereas the 5500's have a 10 incher. The breakout box on the 5500's is also more robust. It has a better screen and plays 96/24. According to pricegrabber, the 5500's are going for about $50 more than the 680's ($285 vs $230 shipped). I'd have to say that two more inches of "thump" and a better breakout box are worth the extra Franklin, wouldn't you?

I've been researching the heck out of speaker systems for the past week or so and I'm heavily leaning toward the 5500's to replace my current mix-and-match HT setup. I'll also probably pick up a set of the 2300's for my PC (only room for two speakers there). I'd love to see a review of the z-2300's on Tweaknews.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have reviewed the Z-2200s.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: only prob Reply with quote

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pat0982 wrote:
only concern i have with these is the idea of the speaker wire being permentally attached. i like w/ the 680s that you can run regualar speaker wire and use them. with these u gotta use the same cable thats allready connected..

umm dont know

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Most profesional speaker systems actaully use coaxial hookups and cable for less signal loss per cable length.

Consider it and upgrade rather than a down point.


Just to clear this up a bit, here are a few things to consider. Yes- a coax line will have less signal loss than a standard pair of wires. However- these speakers more likely-than-not use a pair of wires with RCA's for terminals instead of coax. Also- for the lengths being used in these computer systems, I'd say you wouldn't lose enough signal to justify using coax. Professional systems typically require much longer lengths. You will probably lose more, rather limit your power capabilities more, by using the small 20ga wire that is used in the factory wires. Having the ability to use heavier wire will probably be more beneficial with this 500W system by allowing more current to be fed to the drivers.



Great review though- speakers that piss off blind people- wow. I have the Z560's, the 4.1 400w older version, and they are excellent. Logitech is doing a fine job.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: only prob Reply with quote

[TN] Nathan wrote:
pat0982 wrote:
only concern i have with these is the idea of the speaker wire being permentally attached. i like w/ the 680s that you can run regualar speaker wire and use them. with these u gotta use the same cable thats allready connected..

umm dont know

pat


Most profesional speaker systems actaully use coaxial hookups and cable for less signal loss per cable length.

Consider it and upgrade rather than a down point.


Just to clear this up a bit, here are a few things to consider. Yes- a coax line will have less signal loss than a standard pair of wires. However- these speakers more likely-than-not use a pair of wires with RCA's for terminals instead of coax. Also- for the lengths being used in these computer systems, I'd say you wouldn't lose enough signal to justify using coax. Professional systems typically require much longer lengths. You will probably lose more, rather limit your power capabilities more, by using the small 20ga wire that is used in the factory wires. Having the ability to use heavier wire will probably be more beneficial with this 500W system by allowing more current to be fed to the drivers.



Great review though- speakers that piss off deaf people- wow. I have the Z560's, the 4.1 400w older version, and they are excellent. Logitech is doing a fine job.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do believe they are coaxial seeing the cables are very think.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have these speakers now. Great sound.

I do have some issues though. I have yet to figure out how to hook this up digitally to the Audigy 2.

I tried using an adapter that is a stereo 1/8" male plug on one end that goes into the Audigy 2 digital connection and the other end is a female RCA. I then hooked up a RCA coax cable to it and the other end to the RCA connection on the Z-5500.

I then swithed to digital sound on the Audigy control panel and the Z-5500 control center. No sound whatsoever! The Z-5500 control center show "no data". I tried this with both the Audigy 2 speaker check and a Digital DVD movie.

When I switch back over to analog, everything works fine.

Beats me if I can figure this out. The Audigy 2 quick start guide shows the digital connection as a 4 pin 1/8" miniplug. I'll be damned if I can find an adapter that has that on one end and and a RCA jack on the other. Reading some info on the Creative site says only a mono jack is needed to plug into the Audigy 2 digital connection since only the tip of the pin picks up the signal. So what's the deal with a 4 pin connection then? Especially when it goes into an RCA cable which only has one wire.

I have heard it said that the Audigy 2 decoder has to be disabled and also the decoder on the DVD software for the digital connection to work with the Z-5500. I have tried this combination also and still no sound when trying to go digital.

If someone has the same set up as me and has got digital sound to work, I would sure love to know what was done to do it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a MONO 1/8" to RCA cable, the stereo one won't work

I don't have this set of speakers, but I have had my Audigy connected this way to my Home Theater Receiver

Radio Shack will have what you need
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A stereo plug won't work? Did you actually try one? Why wouldn't a stereo plug work? Seems like some sort of signal would get through. I get nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cannot not patch a analog signal into a digital processor.

Analog is waves whereas digital is pulses.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are absolutely right about the 1/8" mono plug jack. Just got one and now I have digital. Stereo jack does not work and a mono jack does. Thanks for pointing that out.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to help
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it troubling that neither Creative nor Logitech points out a simple thing like this that is so important. They both give information on hooking it up but don't even mention the basic thing about what connector is needed. The Audigy quick start guide shows that jack as a 4 pole 1/8" miniplug. Who would assume from that, that a single pole plug was needed. Sure not me.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, the jack IS a 4 pole, but it is used also for stereo output, when you use a mono 1/8" plug, the longer sleeve on the plug short circuits 2 of the poles, and enables the digital output.

I believe it is mentioned in the quick start guide, but VERY Briefly
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would this system be overkill for my 880 cubic foot (10'X11'X8') bed room?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is up to you.

But the power is there if you want to use it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's about the size of my room...probably a bit bigger. I have the Z-680's and they're not overkill. I never listen to them cranked up 100%, but who does? I'd hate to see the size room you'd need for THAT and also not go deaf They're some great speakers, and they're only overkill if you want them to be. If you get them, I'd suggest turning the bass down to about 33% though...straight from the factory the bass can be a bit...overwhelming
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One really can't base overkill on wattage per square foot. I just think of the 1000w RMS I have in my car for my sub alone.

Its really a matter of how loud you want your sound to be and if you want to it be CLEAR (undistorted) when it's that loud.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'm a little confused. Let me see if I understand this correctly.

In order to use these speakers in digital mode with an Audigy 2 ZS, I need to attach a digital coaxial cable from the speaker's control box to a RCA to 1/8" miniplug and that into the soundcard itself?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

correct!

just be sure that the 1/8 mini plug is MONO....a stereo plug will NOT work
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, thanks! Amazon has these listed around $265, I believe, and they're my number one pick as far as speakers come at the moment.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am also new to the tweaknews.net. What attracted me was your awesome review of the z-5500's. I've had the z-680's for a while on analog on an Audigy 2 ZS, but i now have a buyer for them and will be buying the z-5500's.

My question is regarding hooking them up digitally. After reading the thread, it is very tempting. I looked around and found these links at radioshack for the mini plug conector and the digital coaxial cable. Will these work on an Audigy 2 ZS? Also, i'm guessing i'm gonna plug these into the digital plug on my soundcard, right?

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=274-330
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=15-2435
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to Tweak News

Those are exactly what you will need for a digital connection
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