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P4 3.2 blew up ! temperature @ 70 C help..
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also maybe you can tidy up all of your wiring some as this will give you better airflow from the front to the rear of your case. Take the wires you are not using
and stuff them up into the top of the case or unused drive bays. Using cable ties and self sticking wire blocks attached to various parts of your case such as behind drive bays back wall, floor etc. will help open up the center of your case. You may drop a couple of degrees this way. Also this motherboard has a passively cooled northbridge heatsink. You might want to switch to a fan cooled heatsink. This will also help add a little more air to the cpu area.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well,

there you have it

this chip is officially the biggest peice of s*** ever



I replaced the heatsink, added another fan, temperatures are still very bad

im actually getting 60-62 on idle
im not even going to try playin games

this is with the thermaltake volcano 7+ with artic silver 5 paste

i was getting better temperatures with the stock intel heatsink and fan

i've decided that im going to sell this crap on ebay and get a p4 3.2 C... NOT prescott



so here is a recap of my whole system

p4 3.2 prescott
1 gb ram pc2700
80 gb hard drive 7200 rpm
radeon 9800 all in wonder pro
sound blaster audigy gamer

120 mm fan in the front
80 mm on the side
two 80 mm fans in the back

idle temperatures

61 degrees Celcius for CPU
35 degrees Celcius for System



if I take out the side of the case and blow my bigass fan in there, temperatures lower a few degrees

actually, my best temperatures were when I was using the intel stock fan and heatsink, no case fans, just the big fan blowing into the case (see pic)

I do admit that its quite messy in the case, wires everywhere, but that should only effect the system temperatures, not cpu temps
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just tried playin tribes vengeance. i closed the game when i reached 71 degrees

not worth taking the risk this was just two minutes into the game, how sad

im switching back to the intel heatsink and fan
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bad airflow or messy wires CAN and WILL affect you cpu temps......if you are trying to cool the cpu with warm air.....the process becomes quite counter productive
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cleaned up the wiring, temps still suck

im selling this chip, thanks for everyone's replies and help, i wish it would've worked out
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i wish it could have for you....im sure you'll be quite happy with a northwood.....=]
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets hope your northwood yeilds much better results.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whoa bro u just cant slap in 2 fans into a case and push some wires out of the way.
its trial and error . what kind of fans did u put in there. u have to have some serious air flow for those press-hotts.
u should hang onto the chip and just bite the bullet and fix ur air flow probs.
that is the problem
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmoney is most likey right.......but some people dont have the patience for this.......=]

i say give it a shot s0hel.....but to each, their own........
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well since you dont even heed the advice of others its no wonder you are still having troubles! YOU NEED TO GET A GOOD heatsink and fan!! I wouldnt even use that thing to cool a northwood cpu let alone a prescott.

Also you have to remember the board is reading the temps higher than they actually are!! Its about 6-8c off the mark. But the biggest problem is you need good case airflow (means getting cool air in and hot air out) and it is very important to have a good HSF. Here again I will say the good ones are THERMALRIGHT and SWIFTECH

here are some links to good ones
http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cpu-tri-13.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cpu-swi-09.html

and if you are really wanting to sell that chip let me know I might be interested.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

s0hel wrote:
i cleaned up the wiring, temps still suck

im selling this chip, thanks for everyone's replies and help, i wish it would've worked out


1.)How much thermal paste are you putting on? You only need a paper thin layer spread out and only thick enough so you don't see the metal heatspreader.

2.) What stock heatsink are you using? Is it all aluminum or is there copper in it?

3.) Did you take the thermal pads off the heatsinks before you applied thermal paste. Did you clean all the black thermal pad off?

4.) Why are you running a new computer with no case ventilation? Install case fans in EVERY place that you have available.

5.) What cpu voltage do you have set in the bios? Have you flashed the most recent BIOS update for the motherboard?

You need to look at these things.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^agreed........these guys go tsome good advice......i just thought he made up his mind before he even asked us....=P
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup, nathan's questions are the key to your problem....if you ask questions and want advice...Please use it, it will benefit you, NOT US!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[KoG]^weaZel wrote:
well since you dont even heed the advice of others its no wonder you are still having troubles! YOU NEED TO GET A GOOD heatsink and fan!! I wouldnt even use that thing to cool a northwood cpu let alone a prescott.


I did take everyone's advice.

I do have a good heatsink and fan

i said I used a thermaltake volcano 7+ with arctic silver 5 paste.

I paid quite a bit for this and I assumed it was good, I read some reviews before buying it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[TN] Nathan wrote:

1.)How much thermal paste are you putting on? You only need a paper thin layer spread out and only thick enough so you don't see the metal heatspreader.

2.) What stock heatsink are you using? Is it all aluminum or is there copper in it?

3.) Did you take the thermal pads off the heatsinks before you applied thermal paste. Did you clean all the black thermal pad off?

4.) Why are you running a new computer with no case ventilation? Install case fans in EVERY place that you have available.

5.) What cpu voltage do you have set in the bios? Have you flashed the most recent BIOS update for the motherboard?

You need to look at these things.


1. i didnt put much, it is evenly spread out so that you cant really see the metal and it is a thin layer

2. im not sure if its copper aluminum, i thought all intel heatsinks were the same from p4 2.0+

3. the new heatsink i had (thermaltake volcano 7+, there was not a thermal pad). The intel heatsink, I didnt notice any thermal pad, it was just a circular shape that touched the cpu.

4. I am running my system with 4 case fans. AND im using a bigger fan from the outside to blow air in. Say waht you want about that, but I get lower temperatures with the bigger fan.

5. VCore is 1.36 V, memory voltage is 2.60 V, AGP is 1.75 V
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How thin really, it should be no thicker than a sheet of paper.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmoney wrote:
whoa bro u just cant slap in 2 fans into a case and push some wires out of the way.
its trial and error . what kind of fans did u put in there. u have to have some serious air flow for those press-hotts.
u should hang onto the chip and just bite the bullet and fix ur air flow probs.
that is the problem


i have two 80 mm fans in the back (zalman fans) -- EXHAUST fans
one 80 mm fan on the side (cooler express) blowing into the duct which is pointing towards the heatsink -- INTAKE FAN
120 mm fan in the front -- INTAKE FAN

I cleaned up the wiring, when i closed the case, I was getting high temperatures (59-62 on idle)

I opened my case, brought in my really big fan from the outside and blew air in there, temperatures dropped to 53-54. on high load, temperatures go up to 67-70.

even though the motherboard may be giving me wrong readouts for temperature, my computer has frozen when I ignored the tempereatures when I kept on playin games.

There is not much more I can do, except get a bigger badder water-cooled solution. i used up all my fan slots, took advantage of the duct, tried using the thermaltake heatsink with arctice paste...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[TN] Nathan wrote:
How thin really, it should be no thicker than a sheet of paper.


thats how it is.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s0hel wrote:

3. the new heatsink i had (thermaltake volcano 7+, there was not a thermal pad). The intel heatsink, I didnt notice any thermal pad, it was just a circular shape that touched the cpu.


Was the cirular shape a copper (redish, brownish, orangish) color? Was the rest of the intel heatsink silver? If it was a round, copper part then its just the core of the heatsink. They use copper because it can take away heat better than aluminum. They use aluminum because it is light weight.

Have you cleaned the heatsink and processor core with rubbing alcohol and cue-tips before you put the paste on?
Anyway, like Nathan said, the paste should be no thicker than a sheet of paper and you should barely be able to see the numbers on the core.

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AGP is 1.75 V

What kind of graphics card do you have? You can probably back this down to about 1.6v.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayDubya wrote:

Was the cirular shape a copper (redish, brownish, orangish) color? Was the rest of the intel heatsink silver? If it was a round, copper part then its just the core of the heatsink. They use copper because it can take away heat better than aluminum. They use aluminum because it is light weight.

Have you cleaned the heatsink and processor core with rubbing alcohol and cue-tips before you put the paste on?
Anyway, like Nathan said, the paste should be no thicker than a sheet of paper and you should barely be able to see the numbers on the core.

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AGP is 1.75 V

What kind of graphics card do you have? You can probably back this down to about 1.6v.



im having a hard time remembering what color it was ... its silver now (because of hte paste) .. I think it was copper

i did clean them with rubbing alcohol, thoroughly


I have a radeon 9800 all in wonder pro, i never messed with the voltage settings
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.75 volts for a AGP card is way to high.

I think you should flash your bios to the latest version.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ thats a good point........this should be around 1.5 at default settings.....this will create more case heat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is your case on the desk or the floor? if its on the desk put it on the floor (hot air rises). I dropped my system temps just by putting the putter on the floor. Yeah 1,75 is too high for agp voltage.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i set my agp voltage to 1.55. but I never changed it since the install

my case is on the foor
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

copper is the oragne metal by the way....=P dont know if that as cleared up already....=]

have you thought about installing a blowhole fan........a fan on the top of the case to vent as much bad air as possible.......

as for the thermal paste.......on the chip....there should be a lyer so thin you can JUST still read the letters on the chip through the paste........thats a good application.....and NEVER touch it with your fingers....as this leaves an oily residue that can cause more heat.....use a plastic bag or rubber gloves to apply it......
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