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eli
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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2003 8:24 pm Post subject: IDE cables |
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| When I was building my computer, There was two kinds of cables: IDE cables with 40 wires, and IDE cables with I believe around 80 wires. I used the 80 wire one on my harddrive, and the 40 wire one on my CD rom and DVD rom drives. Is this correct? |
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[TN] Nathan
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I use straight 80 wire for everything. It will help you get every ounce of performance from you drives.
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| but how do you tell if the cable is ATA133? |
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DMW
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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one tell tale sign is that one end of the cable has a BLUE connector....
this is also the end that meets the BLUE header on the MOBO. |
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eli
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2003 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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ok, thanks DMW. I am going to get a WD raptor, and use it on the integrated SATA that I have on my A7N8X Deluxe, and then I will have more space for drives, as well as a faster harddrive.
once again, thanks |
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DMW
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| eli wrote: | ok, thanks DMW. I am going to get a WD raptor, and use it on the integrated SATA that I have on my A7N8X Deluxe, and then I will have more space for drives, as well as a faster harddrive.
once again, thanks |
hold on there skippy....b4 you shell out all that money for such little space (SATA is still more than $2/GB) and the bit of extra heat those 10K RPM drives will create, you might want to read this:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9089
I do realize the source...but the facts on the other pages still support the story.
You might want to consider a simple raid0 setup or striping two fair sized EIDE HDDs.
To me, the cheapest Raptor is about 155.00 ofr 36GB....that's WAY too much. This technology is in it's infantcy and needs a chance to mature before giving in to those kinds of prices. You can get a 180GB drive for about the same money (then you just partition it). |
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eli
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, the inquirer does have some good stuff that I've read in the past. It's just I know people who have used the SATA raid on the nforce 2 motherboard. The thing is, I just got a Kenwood 72x, and I dont have any more room for drives, so I had to take my DVD drive. I really want my DVD drive, so i was either thinking about getting a raptor, and using the SATA RAID, or getting a SCSSI. Possibly a IDE RAID card. I just want more room, and a faster drive. Along with that, I am going to get some round IDE ATA133 cables, to insure my drives are running at the proper speeds. What do you think?
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DMW
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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you want more connections for drives? or are the bays filled in your case?
with one if these:
http://www.promise.com/product/product_list_eng.asp?familyId=3
you can add up to 4 more additional drives.
the rounded cables will be fine....be sure to examine them upon arrival. There have been places in the past that try to pass off lesser cables for the 133 type. |
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eli
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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They are like $105 at newegg.com, and I was originally wanting a raptor for more speed. 40GB is plenty for me, and later on, i could get another one and have a raid. Then I would have room for more drives on my primary IDE channel. By the way, would have another device on my primary channel slow down my harddrive.
thanks, do you still think I should skip the raptor. I was thinking about using SCSSI. or just IDE |
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DMW
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2003 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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what are 105.00 @ newegg?
40GB might seem like enuf today...but when you consider that software today comes on multiple CDs and even DVDs....it adds up quick.
consider this....the "Enter the Matrix" game is reportedly coming out on a 6 CD set. |
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eli
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 9:19 am Post subject: |
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I really dont plan on getting the matrix. but I do know what you mean. Just the thing is I really dont have that many games, and I really dont put that many things on my HDD. I just want one a little faster. I have the money. I am making $80 a week. Would you recommend 2 and putting them in a RAID. I just dont need that much honestly. Yes, the drives are expensive, but there a lot faster then IDE. I just really want one. I have built in SATA RAID, I have two SATA cables that came with my motherboard, and I am all ready to go. If 40GB is enough for me, do you think I should get it, I could make a RAID later on. I have the money. But then again, I coul d save it up for something more substantial. What do you think?
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DMW
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| eli wrote: | Would you recommend 2 and putting them in a RAID. I just dont need that much honestly. Yes, the drives are expensive, but there a lot faster then IDE. I just really want one. I have built in SATA RAID, I have two SATA cables that came with my motherboard, and I am all ready to go. If 40GB is enough for me, do you think I should get it, I could make a RAID later on. I have the money. What do you think?
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sure, if you have the money, and this is what you want.....the SATA will be faster (if it works) than the IDE....probably even faster than the IDE raid. This also taxes the CPU less because it has it's own controller and requires fewer of the CPU cycles.
Did you fully read the article I linked you to? And the link to the frum on the Asus board? Hopefully printed on your PCB somewhere there is a little REV2.0 printed there....this will help matters.
SCSI is a little more developed and most of the bugs have had a chance to be worked out. It's even more money....but it can ask a higher price because of it's speed. I never used SCSI due to cost/perfomance ratio for "MY" money.
I use no programs that will benefit from having a drive that will access the info 1/10th of a second faster....
I have 6 PCs here and more than 10K MP3s / 50GB of movies / 20GB of patches, installs, updates, etc... on one machine that the rest access for anything needed. There is little to no delay, that bothers me in getting access to this info.
That one machine is nothing more than a k6II-500 with a 120GB EIDE drive.
At $80/week, I would have that money for the 19"LCD you were wanting, or a second "server" box to keep files on safely, allowing you to "play" with the other machines.....but you do have an older machine don't you....now I remember!
save the money for college!
I too am currently trying to get the same board...but also insisting that the sales reps. ASSURE me that a REV2.0 is in the box b4 I make the purchase.
I am a terrible customer, because I know EXACTLY what I want, and unless I get it, I usually will not buy. |
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eli
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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No way I am saving for collage. The thing is I would like to go the IDE RAID, its just the price of the Promise controller at newegg.com is $105. And the I would need to get another WD 80GB to make a RAID 0 configuration. Having a RAID 1 is pointless unless you really care about your data, or if you have a server. Once again, I would really, really like to go with IDE RAID, the prices of a good RAID controller is almost as much as my motherboard!
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DMW
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| eli wrote: | | No way I am saving for collage. |
hmm... and with that response...you should all ready be saving! 
| eli wrote: | | The thing is I would like to go the IDE RAID, its just the price of the Promise controller at newegg.com is $105. |
Newegg is not the "here all - end all" of places to get stuff.
Possibly you were looking at something else?
Try using pricewatch.com
| eli wrote: | | Once again, I would really, really like to go with IDE RAID, the prices of a good RAID controller is almost as much as my motherboard! |
There are plenty of controller cards out there with good 'Promise' chipsets or 'Highpoint' etc...for about $25.00 or less.
case in point:
http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SD-SIL680-RAID |
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eli
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Silicon Image, I hear, has horrible low end products. I would like to get one that was Promise or another good company. I guess I'll just get the SATA Raptor. But what did you say about making a file server? |
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DMW
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| eli wrote: | | Silicon Image, I hear, has horrible low end products. |
hmm....and by that statement, have you given consideration to the fact that your MOBO has the Silicon ImageŽ Sil 3112A Controller built into it? This is the same chipset we discussed earlier in the thread. That has so many people uspset...but reports say that VER2.0 of the MOBO has corrected a few of the issues.
Since you insist on a "brandname"....then here:
http://shop.harddrive.com/cgi-bin/itemdy15.pl?keyword=CPI+PRO+FASTTRAK66&UID=2003032012475458
but remember that other lesser known companies also use the Promise or Highpoint chipsets, at a reduced price for not using the name.
enjoy.... |
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eli
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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I new that I had a silicon Image Serial ATA RAID in my motherboard. its just you gave me a link telling me that there was a highpoint or promise controller for under $30. I looked at that controller that you just linked to me, but it isnt ATA133, only ATA66? My HDD is ATA100, so anything below that would make it a slower. Oh, and I looked in side my case, and all I say was a little white sticker that said I believe 1.6 or 1.06, or something like that. I couldnt find anything else.
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DMW
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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this is a quote from the one I linked you to:
| Quote: | | This Ultra ATA/133 card is designed to offer a high performance, cost effective and reliable solution to any real Geek. The card has two IDE connectors that support Ultra ATA/133 protocols and optional RAID functions 0,1, and 0+1. Each IDE connector supports a master/slave combination of any devices such as Ultra ATA/133, Ultra ATA/100, Ultra ATA/66, Ultra ATA/33, EIDE/Fast ATA-2, IDE and ATAPI standards. |
I also gave a link for a brandname "Promise" controller for 55.00......
just PM me if you need any further help with this topic. |
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