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[KoG]^weaZel
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| frnchpplesuck516 wrote: | I know toggle head doesnt :) He would get rid of the alcohol in less than 24 hours. Um, weaze, or ne one else with water. Does this look like a good started kit? its a hundred bucks. OMD was asking about it, it it looks nice to me, i might want to get one!
http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_detail.asp?CateID=31&ID=187 |
In a word NO! not even worth $50. You would probably get better temps with a SP-94. No in fact I know you would get better temps with a thermalright.
I give that the official "Seal of Worthless Junk" award.
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smith.p.sean
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ... ic, good thing i checked here, could u explain why its bad so i know what to look for? |
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oldmandingus
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Idk,i think this is a good deal,im getting it as soon as i get my pay  ,it comes with a chipset/vga block and a cpu block.
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Zero_Fresh
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I think that is the same one that was just awarded the "Worthless Piece of Junk" award.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| frnchpplesuck516 wrote: | | Does this look like a good started kit? its a hundred bucks. OMD was asking about it, it it looks nice to me, i might want to get one! |
it is,....OMD is Oldmandingus....=]
Yeah what about it weaz.......lack of flow to the Rad?
lack of pump power and speed?
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| [KoG]^weaZel wrote: | | 2old, What is your pool temp in the summer? Also think about the length of tubing running on the hot deck to get to and from the intercooler. It would have to be some pump to run a circuit like that. If you wanted to use an intercooler you could use a "cool can" like what is used on race cars to cool the fuel. But who wants a can of alcohol just sitting around? |
About 91 or 92 F is about as hot as it has ever been (33C). That is the beauty of my particular house/pool, you see my autoleveler cannister is only about 25ft from my office. And the cool deck is only like 18 inches wide there. So...I could go underground to there pretty easy, so nobody would be tripping over it. Then the closest path is between the wall and northside (shady) of the house. So if I used a 5 gallon plastic bucket outside of my office to bring pool water to, and then my closed circuit (computer side) is just through the window no more than 10 ft for that. I think it would work. I think a "fountain" pump would work for the "pool side."
Well, this was just a wild thought, but if the Prescott processor becomes the "norm" and with a home file server, my puter, and 2y2c's puter to cool. A 5 gallon thermal mass of recycleable water might be a consideration. A whole house water cooling system, so to speak. 
I know it's a crazy idea, and prolly not cost effective, but hey, like I said. I like crazy ideas.
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[KoG]^weaZel
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ToggleHead wrote: | | frnchpplesuck516 wrote: | | Does this look like a good started kit? its a hundred bucks. OMD was asking about it, it it looks nice to me, i might want to get one! |
it is,....OMD is Oldmandingus....=]
Yeah what about it weaz.......lack of flow to the Rad?
lack of pump power and speed? |
To answer frnchy about a starter kit, NO I cant imagine that you would be able build upon this system.
TH, I did some searching on this product. I found alot of places sell it. But found only one review of it. That one review gives it a glowing report, but from the results that they show, I cant see how they gave it such a good review. They show temps within a few degrees of an aircooler when OC'ed. And when under load the gap is smaller. What this is telling me is that there is not enough radiator and reservoir capacity. I dont think that the pump would be strong enough to add more to the system. The tubing that is used in the kit I wouldnt trust in my computer (and this is coming from someone who has dumped water down a motherboard).
This system looks to be a MASS produced unit. I dont know what kind of QC they have, but honestly I wouldnt trust it. A good quality and trustworthy waterblock for the cpu can cost anywhere from $45-120. Call me skeptical but I highly doubt you can get stellar performance from a kit costing just $99.
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| 2old2care wrote: | | [KoG]^weaZel wrote: | | 2old, What is your pool temp in the summer? Also think about the length of tubing running on the hot deck to get to and from the intercooler. It would have to be some pump to run a circuit like that. If you wanted to use an intercooler you could use a "cool can" like what is used on race cars to cool the fuel. But who wants a can of alcohol just sitting around? |
About 91 or 92 F is about as hot as it has ever been (33C). That is the beauty of my particular house/pool, you see my autoleveler cannister is only about 25ft from my office. And the cool deck is only like 18 inches wide there. So...I could go underground to there pretty easy, so nobody would be tripping over it. Then the closest path is between the wall and northside (shady) of the house. So if I used a 5 gallon plastic bucket outside of my office to bring pool water to, and then my closed circuit (computer side) is just through the window no more than 10 ft for that. I think it would work. I think a "fountain" pump would work for the "pool side."
Well, this was just a wild thought, but if the Prescott processor becomes the "norm" and with a home file server, my puter, and 2y2c's puter to cool. A 5 gallon thermal mass of recycleable water might be a consideration. A whole house water cooling system, so to speak.
I know it's a crazy idea, and prolly not cost effective, but hey, like I said. I like crazy ideas. |
Well......Structured Wiring is now almost the norm.
Is "Structured Cooling" Next? 
(I think it is a great Idea 2O2C!)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:38 am Post subject: |
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You know, all this kit looks impressive, but it costs A LOT.
Make your own cooling system, it's cheaper and very easy. all you need is an oil cooler or heater box from a car and a water block and pump.
I make my own water blocks from cheap heatsinks, just surround the sink (a small 486 heatsink will do) with a watertight jacket and hook it up to the pump. Never push water through the system, instead use he pump to pull water through (without the high pressure if a leak develops it will suck air in, not blow water out) I found this out by trial and error, and by flooding my test comp 3 times  you can make a perfect water block usink an old heatsink with a metal project box of the right size screwed over the top. use a rubber or silicone seal between the two parts and your sorted. this costs pennies, and will perform as good as most of the kits.
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That one is not even as good as the other unit that was talked about earlier. If you are looking at something of that type go with the Koolance Exos. And if you are looking for one to go inside your case you are better off putting a kit together yourself and doing the modding.
That thermaltake thing has been proven to be worthless. I cant remember if it was EVOpilot or who had it. But they got rid of it and got a Thermalright SP-94 and got alot better temps.
With watercooling it all boils down to how much work are willing to put into it. As SS has said you can do it cheaply and get alright results (which in some cases is better than the kits you have posted). Or you can go with a dedicated waterblock that has been tested not to leak. You can also save some money on the radiator and get a heatercore out of a late 70's GM 1/2 ton truck (cant remember whether with or without AC). Or I think that there was a pinto heatercore than can be used as well. But with these there is going to be alot of modding to get them to fit in your case and to be able to mount fans to it as well. And not to mention the hose fittings. Yeah yeah I know it is all possible, but like I said, how much work are you willing to do?
If you must get one of those kits for the internal the one that I would try would be the Kingwin since its only $99. But then again how much is the internals of your computer worth to you if that thing springs a leak?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| heh good point,thanks for the help,i think ill just make a kit myself... |
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| Ok,i have a block and radiator picked out,can somebody find me a Pump/Resevoir for me please? if anyone knows where i can get http://www.xoxide.com/rapu.html post it up. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| [KoG]^weaZel wrote: |
That one is not even as good as the other unit that was talked about earlier. If you are looking at something of that type go with the Koolance Exos. And if you are looking for one to go inside your case you are better off putting a kit together yourself and doing the modding.
That thermaltake thing has been proven to be worthless. I cant remember if it was EVOpilot or who had it. But they got rid of it and got a Thermalright SP-94 and got alot better temps.
With watercooling it all boils down to how much work are willing to put into it. As SS has said you can do it cheaply and get alright results (which in some cases is better than the kits you have posted). Or you can go with a dedicated waterblock that has been tested not to leak. You can also save some money on the radiator and get a heatercore out of a late 70's GM 1/2 ton truck (cant remember whether with or without AC). Or I think that there was a pinto heatercore than can be used as well. But with these there is going to be alot of modding to get them to fit in your case and to be able to mount fans to it as well. And not to mention the hose fittings. Yeah yeah I know it is all possible, but like I said, how much work are you willing to do?
If you must get one of those kits for the internal the one that I would try would be the Kingwin since its only $99. But then again how much is the internals of your computer worth to you if that thing springs a leak? |
Oh man, you can use tons of different heater cores for this. You may have to make some fittings for them though.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| oldmandingus wrote: | | Ok,i have a block and radiator picked out,can somebody find me a Pump/Resevoir for me please? if anyone knows where i can get http://www.xoxide.com/rapu.html post it up. |
I dont know if you can get those anymore. xoxide was the only place I had ever found them.
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