connecting two pooters

gmoney · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: connecting two pooters

i use sbc yahoo dsl and am being forced to use the software to connect to the internet... this is because my loussy linksys router burnt out on me.
so i have to modem connected directly to my pc and i want to share the connection,... so i plug my bro's pc into it and the lan cards do not detect that they are connected. i have done all the wizards and stiill nothting.
the distance in cable length between the pooters is 100ft.
i have the connection 2 shared with connection 1 right now and if i share connection 1 with connection 2 it will change connection 1's i.p. to 192.168.x.xxx and with that i cannot connect to the internet.
connection 1 is internet it is occupied by the modem feed.
connection 2 is my bro's pc
connection 3 is empty
btw conn. 1 and 2 are on board #1 is the gigabit lan #2 is the nforce lan

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Ham_fisT · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject:

are you using a "crossover" cable?
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Zero_Fresh · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:40 am Post subject:

No fair.. that was my guess.

Look at the end of cabel on the bottom of the RJ45. You should see a buch of wires. I think it goes white-orange, orange, white-green, blue, white-blue, green, wthite-brown, brown. That is for a straight cable. If it does not look like that, then ou are using a corss-over cable or just a screwed up cable in general.
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ToggleHead · TWEAKGURU Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 4360 Location: Jersey

this is not necessarily true.....rj45's arent usually standard anymore......every company i have come across crimps them differently.......pay no attention to the fresh behind the curtain.....=P
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2old2care · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:36 am Post subject:

[KoG]^weaZel · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:40 am Post subject:

what Ham was refering to is, if you are trying to connect the computer directly together no router or switch then you will need whats called a "cross over" cable. The reason why its called a cross over is that there are wires that have to go to different pins so that the two computer are able to talk directly with one another. If you are going thru a router or switch then you can use a normal (straight through) cat-5 cable.
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2old2care · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:44 am Post subject:

http://www.netacad.lania.mx/ins/Standar568/Cat%205%20COLOR%20Code%20Standards.htm

Understood.
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ToggleHead · TWEAKGURU Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 4360 Location: Jersey

ah interesting 2old.......in that link it does state there are tow STANDARDS....learn something new everyday....i have run into mulitple different orders in the past.....dont ask me to give an example.....cuz im SURE i cant recall...=]

Fresh for the immediate debate, but still.....the order you stated does not fit one of those standards....lol although i believe thats what we use here at work.....but theyre homemade.....=P
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2old2care · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject:

Fresh is okay, that's the 568B standard.
In short runs several configs will work...But if you start getting into longer runs of cat 6, for a gig over copper network the pairs gotta be right or you'll get into some "slow-motion."
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ToggleHead · TWEAKGURU Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 4360 Location: Jersey

hmm.......my bad all.....i stand corrected....=P
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smith.p.sean · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:49 pm Post subject:

yes, well am i correct in believing that unless u have windows 95 or windows 98 the crossover feature no longer works? When i learned how to make my own CAT 5 wires, i remember the guy telling me that.

smith.p.sean · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:52 pm Post subject:

Also yes, the standards are there becuase it helps form an electrical shield around the wire, making disturbances less common. If can like 2 old said, use pretty much any configuration for short distances, but they have less of a shield and u can get much more interfierence.

Silicon Skum · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:42 pm Post subject:

smith.p.sean · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:46 pm Post subject:

no, thats not what i was saying, I was under the impression that the OS could no longer support the cross over function even with the crossover cable and therefore newer operating systems couldnt be connected using the Crossover. not like u could use a regular cable. Sorry, i should have clarified, although im still probably wrong. :)

Silicon Skum · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject:

it's the NIC that does the crossover, not the OS, so no matter what OS you use, a crosover will still work. the OS does'nt know the difference. As long as the NIC can comunicate then the OS will take that data, no matter where or how it came to be there. There are some problems running in a 'peer to peer' config under windows, but if set up correct will function just the same.

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smith.p.sean · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:

ok, thanks! I learn something new every couple minutes on this site :) The guy said that there was a problem with the protocol or the protocol wasnt included in later operating systems or something. But i guess thats wrong. Thanks SS. BTW, my initials are SS haha.

Zero_Fresh · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:27 pm Post subject:

gmoney... You have to respond in order for us to know if we have provided any help or if we should continue to try more suggestions.
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gmoney · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:07 pm Post subject:

sorry bout the slow response... my room is full of fleas cuz of the weather and my cat... sh*t suks cuz i can barely be in my room.
i read the posts and it sounds like i need a cross over cable... can i make one of those?
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smith.p.sean · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject:

yes, making one is very easy, heres a site,
http://www.classdot.com/cat5cable.htm

gmoney · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:43 pm Post subject:

tight after studying that diagram for a few minutes i was able to make a cross over cable with one of my old cat5 cables
kewl
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smith.p.sean · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject:

so is it working then??? how did u make it out of an old one... u have to make a new one... out of cable and connectors...

ToggleHead · TWEAKGURU Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 4360 Location: Jersey

not true frech.....he could CUT an existing cat5.....and splice wires....=]
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smith.p.sean · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:34 pm Post subject:

ic, well if thats what he did then good luck with that, i hope its not a long distance because its going to lose its electic shield.

gmoney · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:54 pm Post subject:

hmmm... i have the two pooters connected and the "see" each other but now the prob is i cant get the second pooter on the internet. it is on the network however.
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2old2care · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: