hmm... heat probs... kinda

Phrozt · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 100

I'm getting an average board temp of 34~36, and a low/high proc temp of 44~55 +-2. I have the Tsunami VA3000 which has a fan on the side of the case as an air intake. Now, I was looking at it.. and the intake is right on top of the CPU fan. Would it not be smarter to make the fan blow out instead of blowing air at the CPU (which is blwing air right back at it..)? My PSU has 3 fans, and that seems to be doing pretty good, but I'm jsut wondering about what to do on my side fan. I have the zalman 7000alcu unit on my CPU, which SEEMS to be doing well.. I don't know. Also, I'm wondering if I have too much thermal paste on. I covered it so that you cannot see any of the surface of the chip, but if you brushed against it at all you could (was kinda hard to get it this way, but that's how I thought it's supposed to be).

One last thing.. it ALMOST seems like my cooling is WORSE when I have my fans high... could this be true?

thoughts and ideas are greatly appreciated.

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Phrozt · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 100

edit: I put my hand on the exhaust fan and the air actualy seems to be pretty cool... But I'm still wondering what to do about my side fan.
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JayDubya · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject:

The side fan results always vary from case to case. The only way to tell if it will work better or not is to try it one way and the other. Examine the results after that and tell us what happened. Monitor both the mobo and cpu temps.
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Praetorian · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:06 am Post subject:

Sounds like you may have to much thermal compound. Here are the directions from the Arctic Silver website "click here"
There is a fine line with thermal compound. Too much or too little and it is not as effective as it should be.

The side fan can make a big difference. Mine was blowing out but I turned it around and the temps dropped 3-4 degrees C. But the best way to tell is just try both and see what works for you case.
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Phrozt · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 100

hmmm.. I know I hae a lote more thermal grease than that on (well, not a lot more, but maybe 75% again as much?) but it covers the whole top of the processor, so that shouldnt matter. Also, i have arctic silver 5, which I think is slightly different than 3 that they show in the picture... I don't know.. woudl you seroiusly recommend me taking the other off and trying it again?
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Phrozt · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 100

one more thing.. the kingston value memory i have (pc3200) does NOT have a heat spreader on it.. should I get a heat spreader for it?
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ToggleHead · TWEAKGURU Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 4360 Location: Jersey

the application of thermal compound in the proper way is CRITCAL.......it dropped my cpu temp 2 degrees when i fixed it a while ago......

and i find that heat spreaders for memory do nothing but look pretty.......IMO
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sounds to me like you have the right amount of thermal paste on, it should only be about as thick as a sheet of paper.

and as for having the cpu fan blowing away from the heatsink, its better to have it blow onto the heatsink, the airflow is what cools the heatsink, which obviously inturn keeps the cpu core cooler

have you checked the rpms or voltage on your cooler? maybe they are low.

JayDubya · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject:

Did you look at AS's instructions that were provided?

TH is right, heatspreaders really don't do a whole lot anymore. Especially for value ram which will reach its limit before more cooling is needed.
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Praetorian · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject:

Here is a quote from the Arctic Silver instructions page.

For CPUs with heat spreads --> Pic
"Only a small amount of Arctic Silver is needed

P4- About the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 1/2 of a BB.

Athlon64- About the size of one and a half uncooked grains of short-grain white rice or 3/4 of a BB."

For small core CPUs --> Pic
"Only a very small amount of Arctic Silver is needed on small CPU cores like Intel P3s and AMDs. Transfer about 1/2 the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 1/4 of a BB for small core CPUs."
The directions are for all types of Arctic Silver. There are just some extra steps with AS 1, 2 , & 3. Since you have 5 it tells which steps to skip.
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JayDubya · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject:

Thank you, Praetorian. This should really help clear things up.
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Phrozt · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 100

yeah.. i read all that already.

I'm kinda concerned tho.. tonight my proc got up to 60 high and board got to 40 high.. course that was after like.. 7 hours of joint ops, but still...

heh.. it's down to 47/29 now (1 min of browsing boards).

Josh · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:57 am Post subject:

Those are too high, AMD or p4. What CPU do you have, and are you ABIT ASUS or something else? If its ASUS, then that is very bad as they report lower temps than actual.

Reseat your CPU and tidy up all your cables, if they arent done so already. Could you post a pic of the inside of your rig?
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JayDubya · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:50 am Post subject:

What do you have for case cooling? You may need to update your case cooling pretty quickly.
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[KoG]^weaZel · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:43 am Post subject:

Phrotz what is your room temperature??

well with the idle temp of 29c board the ambient should be ok. It would seem that the air flow through the case is not enough.

as far as the cpu temps are concerned you need to redo the thermal paste before we go further on that. And make sure you are running that HSF withOUT the speed adjuster installed. I use this same HSF on one of my p4 3.0c and it work rather well, but I run it at full speed.
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Phrozt · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 100

zalman 700alcu, 2 120mm fans (1 n 1 out) a 90 blowing in from the side, my 520 watt psu has 3 fans, I have rounded cabling for better airflow... arctic 5 between the cpu and fan.

I do have an asus board, and I have a p4 3.2 prescott
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JayDubya · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject:

Case cooling doesn't sound too bad at all.

What would you say your room temp is?
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Josh · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:26 pm Post subject:

2old2care · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject:

JayDubya · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject:

I agree with 2Old. Preliminary results show that the prescott is HOT.
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Krimsal · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject:

My Board is also 34. It really isnt that high i dont think. Plus my case is small atm. I have my Tsunami sitting next to me just havent transfered my stuff yet.

Krimsal · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:49 pm Post subject:

Yeah 60 is a bit high. My case is wicked small and it only goes up to 50 at the most. Idle at 39-40.

JayDubya · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:36 pm Post subject:

CASE GOES UP TO 50C?!? That is not right. Case should never be above 35C, maybe 40C. What is the abient temp . . .room temp?
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Phrozt · TweakNOOB Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 100

http://phroztnet.org/logs/mbm5.8.1.04.html
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