water coolers

gmoney · Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: water coolers

dood, i am a complete and utter noob to water cooling i have an aero 7+ that is lapped to a 1200 grit(basically a mirror) and its great for my mobile 2500+ just as long as vcore is below 1.7. but now i have started to realize how heavy this cooler is and am now looking for a water cooler.
what would be a good choice, remember i am new to water cooling.

Swiftech H20-8501A - Socket A / 370 or koolance exos

i hate the thought of water in my rig but it will get rid of the noise, the excess weight on the mobo, and more efficiantly cool. so any help is respectfully accepted.
thanks,
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What are the temperatures you are getting with the aero 7?
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gmoney · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:24 am Post subject:

mid day while is hot outside 35-40 idle 40-45 while playing unreal tournament 2004

night while its cool 33-38 idle 35-42 playing unreal tournament 2004
all in celcius
all of this is with 1.575 vcore running at 2.3ghz with all the fans full force, its damn loud with the aero blower, tt sf 2, and vantec fan card plus the other 8 fans(p/s included)
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Those temperature aren't bad at all.

What are your case temperatures?
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gmoney · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:15 pm Post subject:

bios reads the mobo temp or "ambient" temp to be 95-100f usually the mobo temp is the same as the proc, my hardcano says that the case temp is 83f- 28c(the probe is hanging in the mid section of the case, in front of the hdds)

i agree that the temps are reasonably good but when i o/c to about 2.6 ghz with the vcore at 1.8 volts temps skyrocket the cpu gets to about 120-125f (this is at night with the window open and fresh cold air blowing in with a box fan)
so overcloking above 2.3ghz, what im at now, is irrational with this form of cooling.

i was thinking of upgrading all fans to tt smart fan 2s and ungrading this crappy hardcano for a hardcano 12. do you think this would create a better cooling effect for the cpu and othe components?
thank
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JayDubya · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:

instead of the hardcano, you may want to try a thermalright heatsink with a nice 92mm fan (sp-97 heatsink is awesome).

not sure about the fan question . . . theoretically if it moves more air (greater CFM) then it should have a much better cooling effect.

i have also heard to reach some extreme speeds on amd platforms, the northbidge and southbridge cooling must be updated. i am in the process of updating mine and i'll let you know if that helps. (i just need to fabricate a new s/b heatsink)
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gmoney · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:15 pm Post subject:

i am fully aware of thermalrights cooling capabilities, THEYRE EXTREME.
but my initial thought when i see one is the EXTREME weight and tension placed on the mother board. the last thing i want is a broken dfi lan party and a smashed aiw 9800 pro. i also realize that many people have great success with these coolers and people never have to worry about them, however, as scarface would put it " i am, how you say, paranoy ". but if you recommend it dood i gotta give it a chance. oh yeah i would also have to order the x-plate for an additional charge.
as for the north and southbridge cooling, i have been planning on this guy : MCX159-A. and as far as southbridge you can see the active cooling in the case gallery "xaser from hell"
yo yo the bud makes you wiser

thanks and all comments are welcome
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Thermalrights are not that hard on the socket seeing they don't stick out a whole lot.

You need to upgrade your case ventilation.

That is your problem right now.
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gmoney · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:54 am Post subject:

do you want to know what the ventilation is like... well ur gonna hear about it this is gonna be long so bear with me...
i have a xaser 3 as yall know, it comes with seven .1 amp fans rated at 30 cfm. 2 lower intake fans in front of the hdd trays : stock
2 side intake fans located to the side of add on cards : stok
2 rear exhaust fans : upper stock, lower tt smart fan 2
1 top blow hole in all aspects is located in the middle of roof : stock
now all of the fans grills have been removed http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=9c0cde8a2706dfc106bd9cbac9e52132&threadid=270542&perpage=30&pagenumber=2
my vantec stealth is 520w with 3 fans 1 is 80x80x25mm the other 2 are 80x80x10mm i dont have a clue as to how much air this pushes
i have a vantec spectrum fan card which pushes 30cfm there is an empty space above it and below with the pci bracket below removed so air can flow it
i have an old soyo n/b fan on my southbridge heatsink, stock n/b cooler(which is adaquit because im at 400fsb)
stok cooling for my aiw 9800 pro( the tt smart fan 2 is supposed to exhaust the hot air from the card, the fan is directly above it)
i have no cooling for my corsair, as it is valueselect
i have 3 hdd : 1 maxtor 80gig, one wd se 80 gig both 8 mb cache they are storage so they dont pump out much heat. the other drive is the main...uh...drive... it is a maxtor 160 gig sata drive 8mb cache it is very warm all of the time. it is also isolated from all the other drives( it is in the middle lower bay) it looks like this...... space/satahd/space/wdse/space/maxtor80g

well basically thats it all of the wires are nice and tidy i just cleaned up even more this afternoon.

so any and all suggestions welcome and greatly appreciated
thanks doooooods
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gmoney · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject:

*update
i bought a tornado today i put it where the tt smart fan 2 was and now the smart fan is in front blowin air in.
ambient 75f
cpu 95f idle
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gmoney · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject:

now with the tornado exhausting air and the tt smart fan 2 intaking cool air im getting 87-91f idle!!!
almost sub 30c awesome i need a new cpu cooler and i'll have broken the sub 30c barriar i just need to figure out what im gonna but maybe a sp 97 and a 92mm tornado
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JayDubya · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject:

nice gmoney!

do you have any as5 on that hsf you have now? i just put some under my volcano 7+ and it dropped my load temps from 53C to 43C. the idle also dropped from 32C to 25C. i just put a minimal amount (barely enough to cover the cpu core) and have experienced an insane drop in temps. this is an upgrade from the white silicone that was provided with the 7+ hsf.
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gmoney · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject:

yes, yes, as5 ive had the stuff even before i lapped my h/s. when i applied it i rubbed a very small amount on the h/s where the cpu die would touch and (with a plastic bag on my finger) i rubbed a very this layer onto the cpu die.
what kind of cooler do you have for 25c?!?!?!?!? thats wicked awesome
do you think that i should put my new tornado on my h/s and ditch the aero fan?
tanks
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JayDubya · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject:

i have a thermaltake volcano 7+ running on the median speed setting. normally when my cpu temp is 25C, my ambient temp is 20C. i haven't lapped the 7+ (yet . . .) but made sure to clean it and the cpu core itself thoroughly before i applied the as5. this is on an overclocked 2100+ runing at 2300mhz (10.5*219) @ 1.8v
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gmoney · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject:

frickity frick frick frick... im assuming thats a t-bred b core you got there. damn thats good o/c. what is it like a 550mhz o/c. 1.8 volts and those temps where do you live alaska!?!?
haha i need some better cooling here in san jose its been nearly 90 for the past few weeks. better cooling=higher vcore... higher vcore=higher o/c
higher o/c=fast fast fast. with 1.8 i get 2.6ghz stable as hell however current cooling makes that 1.8=120f. 120f=weak sauce.
do you think that my settup with the tornado exhausting air is killing the cooling effect for the cpu. the tornado is like 1 inch away from the cooler...hold on maybe ill post a pic of it. with my chitty digi cam
peace broheems
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your setup looks awesome, but how did you handle all your cables, i definetely need help with mine
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JayDubya · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:50 pm Post subject:

yup, its a tbred core. i am going to school in iowa right now. temps here are around 70F or so max this time of year with mild nights (40F). i really lucked out on this chip. i can't go any higher on the vcore or else my system wont boot. i'm looking for my other bios chip so i can try a new bios and push it some more.

hey, Logi. you want a cheap way to manage your cables? use electrical tape. it has worked wonders for my setup. cheap and very effective.
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Logi · TweakNOOB Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 67

i just found some LockTies so i moved all my PSU cables and tied them to the side of my case next to my mobo, i think this helped a degree or two, not bad for a minutes time, my goal is to idle below 90F but im still floating about 96-97, its really heating up here (near san francisco), so im sure when those 105+ days come, ill really need to work on the cooling
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gmoney · Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:05 am Post subject:

yo logi... for the cable managment electrical tape is fine if youre jaydubya or what i did was go to frys electronics and got some "flex guard-flexible tubing" which is that plastic stuff that is split down the center and you just shove the wires in to it also all the little craks and crevises(uhh how do you spell that) are great for shoving wires into. you can also run wires through the bak side of the motherboard tray(i dont do this though). round cables spoof things up etc. its all up to you bro.
oh ye jaydub i wasnt tryin to put you on blast with the electrical tape thing abocve

peace
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gmoney · Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:06 am Post subject:

oh ye my wiring has taken a few months if you take your time you will have a great wiring job and those sub 90 temps
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Logi · TweakNOOB Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 67

i should try that, im sure being round and not so contour, might help airflow off of the tubing, instead of getting lost in the pushed aside cables, thanks!
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Logi · TweakNOOB Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 67

my mobo is pretty cool, right now its below 20 C, but its cooling off at night, i wish i didnt buy a case with a pre-made window, i really want to put an intake fan right over my CPU

i have the Raidmax Scorpio 868W, any ideas?

http://raidmax.com/products/products_display.php?&page_no=4&backnext=-1&cID=1

see how the side is designed, i dont think i can get a fan over the CPU, its a little up and to the left of where the fan is in the middle
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JayDubya · Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:24 am Post subject:

try making a duct mod from the side window to straight over the cpu??? i did that for one of my cases (doesn't have a window) and it lowered temps about 3-4C degrees.

hey gmoney . . . did you have that 2?00+ palimino that hit 10*219 @2.0v or something like that? if you did, then kudos to you because those pali's are a challenge!
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Logi · TweakNOOB Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 67

sounds to me like i should have though about all of this before i bought my things

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gmoney · Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:51 am Post subject:

yo jaydub that was me dood i still have all the old screen shots if you want to see em. and as for that palli its waitin for a new master to run 2.0 volts threw her once again. she sittin up on my shelf in a safe liitle box u want it

. naw just kiddin i couldnt part with it, that old palli was tight got it when it was 150dolla now it aint worth two farts in a wind storm.

the funny thing is when it was at 2 volts it wouldnt go past 1950mhz stable. but anyways.
thaks
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