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Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

I am using an AMD Sempron Processor....It is only running at 1.2ghz,SLOW!!!....I was readin throught the net and they say tht i changin the FSB...HOW do I change it?...when i check crystal CPUID it says the original is 2000mhz and the current is 1200 mhz and the overclock is -39.42%

I am running on a

Amd Sempron(tm)
think it is 2800++
motherboard-Gigabyte Axper XP-K7S748 socket A
memory 256 ddr PC2100(133mhz) only.
GeForce Fx 5200 8x Agp

Plz Help!!!

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Xal · Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

Read the stickys and search the forums here, if you are still stuck then post your question here

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Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

I tried changing my fsb to 166,which is the original of the motherboard...but it ll go to windows and restart,i think its teh heat problem,is there any ways tht i can reduce heat?....or is there sumthin wrong?

Xal · Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject:

Did you read the stickys? there are very good step by step instructions in there and most of us have contributed there. You need to OC in small jumps, no more than 3 - 4mhz at a time then you need to run Prime95 for at LEAST 12 hours to check for stability. Its slow going but its the best way to achieve a good stable OC. I say again read the stickys and happy OCing

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sandness · Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

In most cases, I'd have to agree with Xal. However, your case is different as its running below its rated speed. It should be clocked at 2.0GHz stock- and you're only getting 1.2GHz. So, I've got a couple questions- when you change the FSB to 166MHz, are you doing that in the BIOS? Also, look on the board itself- Below the memory slots and to the right of the first PCI slot there should be a little switch, probably labeled SW1. Make sure it is in the "OFF" position (switch down). In the BIOS, make sure your memory is set to 133MHz (in case AUTO isn't working correctly).

Another possibility is a problem with your heatsink. Does its' fan spin while running? And have you tried reseating it on the socket to ensure good contact.?
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Xal · Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:57 am Post subject:

Ah, it seems I misread the problem

You are under clocked at the moment

Sadness has it down, have a look at what he said and let us know how it goes.

Good luck

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Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

yup!!...i changed the FSB in BIOS..IS anythin wrong?,the fan spins properly and the heat sink is okay...the switxh is at off....i set it to off,i now got it to work at 1.798mhz,it works fine without any prob,but the overclock is still at -10.67...wat should I do?...actually if the original is 2.0,how much extra is it safe to overclock?

Xal · Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject:

Downlaod the manual for your motherboard (if you don't already have it) and look up what it says on CPU setup.

What options does your bios give for the CPU?
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Xal · Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Someone HElp

sandness · Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject:

Right on Xal. CPUZ will help us alot. If your processor is not a Sempron 2800, it might be a Sempron 2500 which should clock at about 1.75GHz- about what you have now.

CPUZ: http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-136.zip

http://www.axper.com.tw/download/manual/data/XP-K7S748_1002.pdf That should be the manual to your motherboard.
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Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

hey,my com runs quite slow,is it because i use 256mb of ram?...Anyway if i plan to buy Ram,wat should i get,why is there so many typer like DDR400 all?...

Xal · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:31 am Post subject:

DDR400 is the speed of the RAM. Sometimes RAM is labeled PCxxxx but its the same thing in essence. The list bellow should help avoid confusion.

DDR400 = PC3200
DDR333 = PC2700
DDR266 = PC2100

That said, always get the fastest RAM your system can support, in your case DDR400 (PC3200) should do the trick although there are faster denominations. Anything faster than DDR400 is aimed at hardcore OCers. DDR400 is more than fast enough for light overclocking and tweaking. You should have at least 1GB of RAM these days.

I would go for something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145563
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what ever happend with your Underclock issue?
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Sept · TweakNOOB Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 18

hmm have u tried disabling 'cool n' quiet' technology in your BIOS?
Maybe that should do the job

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Mordacain · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject:

I googled your Mobo, it should support the full speed with no problems.

Now, based on the info you have here, the only question remaining is where the 2000 is coming from.

A sempron 2000+ socket A ran natively at 1.67 GHz. That's pretty close to your current figure.

It also runs at 166 FSB.

That would limit your memory to 333 MHz total bandwidth in DDR. Your board does not support dual channel operation, but that should not limit reaching the maximum speed. Overclocking the FSB could allow you to use faster memory, but the old Semprons did not overclock too well (generally around 10-15%).

Now, if you actually have a sempron rated to run at 2.0 Ghz, then it's possible your board is clocking down the proc to match your current memory. It really depends on the options available to you in Bios. Memory divider options were not too prevalent on boards during this time. I just rebuilt an old Socket A system for a friend of mine using a DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra B board. I only include that reference since that is the only Socket A board I have personal experience with that included memory dividers.

Depending on the actual proc, you might be running at your maximum rated speed. Best thing you can do is use CPU-Z as prescribed earlier and tell us what the actual proc is. The only other suggestion I haev for you is to download the manual, reset any dipswitches and jumpers to default configuration and default the bios. Most motherboards will acurately detect a processor in default configs. Also, if there is a splashscreen covering your BIOS post, disable it. Post will generally tell you the type (and sometimes the speed) of your proc.

Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

Hey guys,thanks but just want to ask u all sumthin,about processors rite?,there are different types of sockets,like 764,9** and otheres,mine is a socket A.So wat is it?,if I wan to get a processor wat good 1 can i get?..thx

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Xal · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:18 am Post subject:

Socket A CPUs will be compatable with a socket A board, an obvious statement but true.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=50001028+2010340343+1051707440&Subcategory=343&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice=

These are all new egg has on offer for the socket A and if you have a Semperon 2800+ then you already have the best one listed.

You should look for an Athlon XP 3000+ or 3200+. That should be a good performance boost and the CPU shouldn't cost the earth now either. Check out some PC stores in your area as you are unlikely to find such old CPUs on Estores.
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Mordacain · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:59 am Post subject:

Personally, I wouldn't bother upgrading the processor at all. Your memory is crippling that rig, and having faster clock cycles won't do much if it's waiting on the memory to communicate things back to the core. I couldn't recommend upgrading the memory either, since DDR is actually more expensive then DDR2 counterparts now and it's completely outdated.

I would suggest saving up and getting a completely new system. There are several budget options available, including this oddity:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157092

This board is essentially for those who need to upgrade a piece at a time. Though Conroe support is not listed, it is indeed compatible with Core 2.

It also allows you to use your current vidcard (might want to check Asrock's website to ensure compatability) until you can afford an upgrade.

AM2 is not bad for budget constraints either. The lowest Sempron there is $47 (1.6GHz0 and will still run rings around your current rig. There are no AGP compatible boards for AM2 though, so you would either have to settle for integrated video or pick up a cheap vidcard. There is a 256 MB 6600 on newegg for just $55. Even with this option you could pretty much give yourself a full upgrade for under $300 if you pick the right parts.

It's something to think about anyway.

Xal · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:26 am Post subject:

With an FX 5200 I think the vid card need not be kept. I honestly think your best option is to upgrade to 1gb of ddr400 ram and upgrade your vid card. By the way you have been talking I take it you are on a tight budget so let me give you 2 options.

GFX card
Higher end Nvidia - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150157
Lower end Nvidia - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143056

High end ATI - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102606

Low end ATI - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125166

ATI does not have much on offer on the AGP front and I think Nvidia would be your best bet for performance to $$ here but if you just want an improvement over the fx 5200 then the 9600pro for $67 is a good cheap upgrade.

Ram you can pick up for arround $100 for a 1GB kit (2 x 512)

If you have the money for a more complete upgrade then let us know and we will recomend the best bang for your $$
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Xal · Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:

OK, after much searching I found your motherboard manual
Asperx is MADE by Gigabyte it is not however a gigabyte brand.

Your settings should be as follows.

Make sure that SW1 is set to OFF and your Bios CPU frequency control is set to 166. If all this is right then your CPU is running at its rated speed.

the 200 I posted for the DRAM clock is assuming it works like the CPU clock control, if not it should be set to +33.

Let me know if this works for you, if it does I can talk you through a light OC so you can get a bit more power out of your rig.
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Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

hey i just got back my pc from te computer shop,the pc had sum prob where it could start and it would'nt even load the bois screen where we can press delete and load in the bois setting...sumtimes it loads but it ll hang in windows,i guess its was the heat,the pc is naturallly hot,fsb 100 is at 73 C and the mine was bout 83, So i sent it to the pc shop,the said motherboard prob and replaced a new motherboard cause of warranty, but the heat is same,I dunno why, I dun even know whter the pc shop guy installed the heat sink properly..the heat is at 83 C.
What should I do....Shud i get a new heat sink,any reccomendations...or any other way i can solve this......

Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

hey i just got back my pc from te computer shop,the pc had sum prob where it could start and it would'nt even load the bois screen where we can press delete and load in the bois setting...sumtimes it loads but it ll hang in windows,i guess its was the heat,the pc is naturallly hot,fsb 100 is at 73 C and the mine was bout 83, So i sent it to the pc shop,the said motherboard prob and replaced a new motherboard cause of warranty, but the heat is same,I dunno why, I dun even know whter the pc shop guy installed the heat sink properly..the heat is at 83 C.
What should I do??....Shud i get a new heat sink,any reccomendations...or any other way i can solve this......

Xal · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:03 am Post subject:

Before you go and buy a new HSF (Heatsink and Fan) I would suggest you buy some Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound. Carefully remove your HSF (being very carefull not to crack the CPU core) then with some cotton wool and some isopropic alchahol (nail pollish remover works too but don't get it on any circuits) clean off the existing thermal compound (probably a white or grey paste).

Make sure both the CPU and HSF are completely clean and dry then add a small (half grain of rice sized) blob of Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to the center of the cpu. Replace the HSF but before clamping it down rotate it 90degrees left then right to spread the thermal compund nicely. Clamp it down and start up the PC. It will take a little while for the compund to cure, it sets when the CPU temp reaches a certain temp, then check your temps. If after a few days the temps are still high then get a new HSF and repeat the procedure with it. Do not use the thermal compound that comes with the new HSF as the AS5 is much better.

Good luck

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Mugunthan88 · TweakNOOB Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 15

thx for u advice on the paste....but i went to the sop and asked for the arctic silver 5 thermal compound,they din have it....so i bought a different 1 instead,sum coolermaster 1,the best thy had,i went home and applyed it,i found out tht the pc shop guy placed the heat sink the wrong way,the left side at the right,i cleaned the paste,which he also applyed at the back at the heat sink,the Whole surface of it,then i did wat u said and i read how to put the heat sink properly,it was ok......I think the silver will be better.......i got bout 59 C......much better thn b4 and the stock is sempron 2800++ runs well at 2.00 i am not underclocked anymore,and i think with a better heat sink and the AS5 paste, i can overclock it more.....thx a lot