need help with 2000+ amd

dave98rt · TweakNOOB Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

hi, i'm new to the boards. I just recently switched my amd 2000+ xp system to a new a case and now i'm having frequent stalling. I cant figure out whats causing it. I also have a geforce 4 ti4200, gigabye mb, ibm 120 gig hd, and a soundblaster. Theres also a beeping sound that may be coming from the hardrive that i get about every few min, i know the video card is fine because i put it my brothers computer. Is it possible that the AGP slot may be damaged?
What do you guys think?

thanks
dave

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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

another thing that could be causing it is a hot case with bad ventilation, the alarm you hear could be the heat warning.

What is the temp of your motherboard and cpu when this happens?
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dave98rt · TweakNOOB Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

the reason i think it might be the agp slot is because when i swapped in a pci video card i had laying around, the stalling seemed to stop. This case should have a better ventalation, it came with a ton of fans. Its got a 330 watt power supply, but i swapped in the power supply from the old case and it still stalled, how can i find out that the temp its running at? thanks for you help so far

dave

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Hey dave98rt,
Welcome to the boards, now for the temps: I use a comprehensive piece of software called SiSoft Sandra 2002 (Get it HERE) I use that most of the time for benchmarks and system information such as CPU/Motherboard/Case temperature. Once you've downloaded and installed this software (real easy btw), just click on the square blue icon on the toolbar that has a small "i" in it, that's the information module. Then click on "Mainboard Information", from there you should be able to get an accurate reading of your CPU/Mainboard/and Case temps. Tell us what you see there :)

BTW, u mentioned the beeping sound came from ur hardrive? Very unlikely, put urself real close to ur computer (case door off) and see where the sound is coming from: it may be the motherboard or the PC speaker.

dave98rt · TweakNOOB Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

thanks again for all the help you guys are giving. I installed the software, i got 35C/98F for the board and 54C/129F for the cpu I'll be able to compare that to my dads computer in a few min that has the same mb as me with a 1700+ in it in a few min when we finally get the interenet to it. Right now, i have the geforce ti back in it, with most of the case fans unplugged, the floppy drive and two cd drives unplugged and it hasnt stalled in a while, i'm starting to think it is the power supply. Would 330 watts be enough for this system? heres the total specs
Gigabyte 7VRXP
amd 2000+ xp
Geforce 4 ti 4200 64 mg
40x cd burner
16x dvd drive
one floppy drive
120 gig 7200rpm hd
soundblaster live
the lan is on the board

thanks again
dave

[TN] Burt · Guest

It really depends on the '330 watts'. Some power supplies are (ahem) generously labelled and actually not capable of sustained output. If the power supply is from a reputable company, I would still make sure you have a good cushion. 330 watts is a bit tight depending on how many fans, lights etc. you are running and if the powersupply isn't up to it the fluctuations can cause freezing.

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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

sounds like your case ventilation is not that good.

Open your case and see if the temps drop and if the stalling stops.
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[TN] Burt · Guest

try leaving the sides off the case and taking a temp reading after a couple of hours of idle. If you are still having heat / power problems, an idea might be to (short term of course) leave the case open and run a seperate fan into the case (home fan whatever). I have done this temporarily in the past to determine if heat was a deteriment to the case. It aint pretty but it will work until you can cut some additional ventilation and get some CFM moving in there.

dave98rt · TweakNOOB Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

the whole time i've been messing with it, the whole case is open, as it stands right now, its freezing in my house, pennsylavania weather and the computers in a corner of the house where its coldest, right now the cpu is around 54C. My dads system, with the same mb, but a 1700 + runs about 36C, what is wrong with my computer?? this is starting to get me frustrated. The case i just put it all into is a uneec. I'm not sure what model but its a black one with the hardrive bays that snap out, locks in the front and on the side with a nice door handle type thing to open the side up. I know its not the power supply because i swapped in the old power supply it had and the thing still stalled

anyone have any ideas? and thanks for hte help so far also

dave

jadison · Guest

Is this the case you have? http://www.uneec.com/html/Eng/products/product.htm

As for the heat - for now the only other thing I can think of is that you're voltage settings may be incorrect. Go into your BIOS and select PC Health Status: from there read off the system & CPU temp (again) and the values that are displayed for Vcore, 3.3V, 5V, and 12V.

dave98rt · TweakNOOB Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

that link just took my to the product page but i looked thru them and i hvae the ATX-601AE but in black. i just checked the temps and voltage and they read as follow:
AGP voltage: 1.5v
DDR voltage: 2.5v
Vcore Normal
CPU clock: 133 mhz
CPU temp: 48C (it was 44 right after turning it on, got to 48 by the time i wrote all this down)
System temp: 21C
Vcore: 1.744
VTT
3.3 - 3.216
5 - 4.919
12 - 12.352
5 VSB - 4.919

what do you guys think? i got a 75 gig hd at bestbuy yesterday for $50

so i put that in and installed a fresh copy of windows 2000 and its still stalling

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

you need to reinstall the heatsink on your cpu.

What kind is it?
Are you using the stock thermal goo supplied with the heatsink?
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dave98rt · TweakNOOB Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

i actually think that might be the problem cause i believe it is the stock glue, i bought the mb and processor together at a computer show and had the guy there put them together. I'm alittle nervous about doing this, any good websites or how tos on doing this? what supplies would i need? Any tips or hints to this?

thanks again for all the help youve given me so far
dvae

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Ok, I'm going to give you the quick and dirty on heatsink installation.

First of all, you will need,

A small headed flat screwdriver
Some new thermal paste from Radio Shack will do
A normal playing card (Jack of spades works best

)
Rubbing Alcohol
Patience and some concentration.

1.) Turn your computer off and turn off the power supply and unplug the cord from the back.

2.) Open your computer case and ground yourself to the computer by keeping your arm (SKIN) on the case frame while doing your work. If you dont, 1 spark will render your computer a pile of useless silicon.

3.) Using the screw driver, go to the side of the heatsink clamp that usually has a place or wedge to place the screwdriver securely for wedging out the clamp. (MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SMALL ENOUGH SCREWDRIVER TO FIT THE WEDGE BECAUSE IF IT POPS OUT WHILE YOU ARE DOING THIS, YOU WILL SCRATCH YOUR MOTHERBOARD AND GOUGE THE FINE CIRCUIT TRACES. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!)

4.) Insert the screwdriver into the wedge and press down and wedge the clamp out from the socket and the knub that holds the clamp in place. Once that is done, carefully lift the heatsink off and remove the other clamp from the other end of the socket (BE CAREFUL!!)

5.) Remove your cpu and clean the core thoroughly with a Q-tip and some rubbing alcohol and do the same with the heatsink goo material. You might have to scrap the hard goo off ith a flat plastic device of some sort but do not use metal because if you scratch it, the thermal conductivity of the core/heatsink interface will be diminished slightly.

6.) Appply a thin layer of the new thermal compound at a thickness of 2 papersheets on the core of the cpu and use the playing card to even it out nice and flat.

7.) Install the cpu again and reinstall the heatsink and voila, you have a thermally better heatsink cpu interface and a cooler processor unless you have a total piece of s*** heatsink/fan combo.

Just to be safe, alway perform this process on a wooden bench or table to lessen the chances of sparks.

If you need soem pictures, go here
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/23986.pdf

It will also help you out a bit.
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dave98rt · TweakNOOB Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

thanks, that will really help. I think i'm going to try this myself. I think i should upgrade the heat sink fan while im doing this. Where should i go to buy one? i'd buy it off the net but i need to get this all done by the time i go back to school on sunday. I have a bestbuy, circuit city, compusa, and a radioshack, where should i go and what should i buy? what kinda heat sink and thermal paste, the processor is a amd 2000+
thanks
dave

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

I checked out all those stores and they have nothing sufficient to cool a 2000+.

This will not be a quick fix my friend. Go to an online store and buy a copper cooler with a fan of 3000rpm or more and pushing more than 30cfm of air.

For the thermal paste, most coolers will come with good thermal paste with them and do NOT use the thermal pad.
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