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[TN] Nathan ALMIGHTY PWNER!

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[KoG]^weaZel TWEAKGURU

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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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I have a question.
Why is it a CON to have a single +12v line?
Isnt it better to have one single hefty 12v feed when you are running a power hungry computer. For example if you are running a high-end cpu and you are overclocking it, you are going to need some serious juice on the 12v rail. If you have two rails you may overload the one while not using the other to its fullest. But if you are running a stock machine yes a dual 12v rails can be desirable. _________________ I tweaked and it tweaked back! So I Tweaked some more!
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[TN] Nathan ALMIGHTY PWNER!

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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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No, it is better to have less components draining current off of one rail than having them all on one. _________________ Owner & Administrator
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mojo1340 UberTweaker

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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| In this particular case, I would have liked to see the hardwired CPU aux cable on it's own rail and the rest on another. Better yet, since the psu is marketed for dual card applications, another rail for the PCI-E cables. But triple 12v rail PSU's are hard to find. I like mine a lot. |
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FreeTheRock [banned] UberTweaker
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fussnfeathers Lord of the Tweak

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Agreed on all counts.
For now, nVidia has a specific list of SLI compatible PSU's.........if nothing else, they'll warranty the vid cards if they fail, and the PSU used is certified. If it's not, they might not.
Dual rails are better than one, as the power (typically) is evenly split between the mobo and CPU requirements and the drive/fan requirements. A single, hefty 12v rail can't support the full voltage to a system........well, like mine. 5 12v drives, 6 fans, a new-ish P4, AND the PCI/AGP/PCIe slots. With a dual rail, you're guaranteed a mininum voltage to the CPU, that isn't affected by the draw from your 7800GT SLI vid cards. Those are on a seperate rail, with its own voltage. _________________ Big enough to scare you |
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FreeTheRock [banned] UberTweaker
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| ya if it has dual 12v rails 1 is for the CPU only and 1 is for everything else which can be a bad thing as the same time as a good thing just depends on how power ungry your system is and how good the PSU is. |
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fussnfeathers Lord of the Tweak

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: |
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One thing I find disturbing, that I didn't see mentioned in the review, other than in the features.................the side vents.
Ok, draw the hot air out of the case, through the bottom fan..............then stick vents between it an the rear output fan, so at least half of the hot air gets recycled back into the case. Plus, if the output fan isn't more powerful than the intake, you're then sucking the ambient case air into the PSU, heating it even farther.
Not a really good design plan................I'm not impressed. _________________ Big enough to scare you |
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FreeTheRock [banned] UberTweaker
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| the one thing that has gotten a lot of peoples attention with the Tagan is the design to cool the PSU, 2 80mm's 1 blowing in and 1 blowing out, and the heatsinks they use are nice and big. i agree with FNF the design is just plain bleh and needs a lot of work. PSU's with that much power need more than just what that PSU offeres. |
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[KoG]^weaZel TWEAKGURU

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| FreeTheRock wrote: | | ya if it has dual 12v rails 1 is for the CPU only and 1 is for everything else which can be a bad thing as the same time as a good thing just depends on how power ungry your system is and how good the PSU is. |
This is a very true comment.
There have been troubles with the split rail psus with cross loading. Mean that if the 5v rail does have a set amount of load on it then the 12v rails wont get all of their juice. This is becoming an increasing problem as there is more demand on the 12v side of things versus the 5v.
FnF, in the review I believe he said that you could feel warm air coming OUT of those vents on the side. Yes this is disturbing. I want air being taken out of the case not recirculated inside of it.
Also about your comment on the dual vs single rail. I can guarantee you that if you took a PC P&C TC 510 and hooked it up to what you are saying. It would prvide you with trouble free service. And that would be also powering a dual core cpu. I couldn't give you the same guarantee about other 500-550 watt power supplies. But that all goes back to how the psu is rated. As most label theirs with the maximum or peak power attainable. This is usually stated at 25c. That is where I have to give credit to the psu in this review. It give the power rating at 43c. Which is right about normal operating temperature.
To be able to understand power supplies better here is a good read
I am sorry if this post seems to ramble. I am at work and it has taken me a while to be able to write the whole thing. _________________ I tweaked and it tweaked back! So I Tweaked some more!
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fussnfeathers Lord of the Tweak

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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PC Power and Cooling is an exception. They're "industrial" rated, so their single 12v rail is a heck of alot better than anybody else's.
and yeah, I missed the part about the vents.........it's been a looooong couple of days....... _________________ Big enough to scare you |
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