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PhRoZeN_X_ · SirTweaksabit Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 410

I am very confused!!?!! WHAT exactly do i have and which one is the right reading ?

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fussnfeathers · Lord of the Tweak Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 2763

I believe you have a Newcastle. Those have 512mb L2 cache, Clawhammers have 1mb L2 cache.

I could be wrong, I'm sure an AMD guy will correct me if I am.

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FreeTheRock [banned] · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:30 am Post subject:

CPU-Z is right, you have a newcastle and yes newcastles have 512mb cache and clawhammers have 1meg.

2old2care · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:16 am Post subject:

I think he's looking at the process not the backsides....BTW FX's have 1 meg me thinks.

that 90nm statement is borked....
newcastle, hammer/clawhammer are 130nm process.
venice, winchester, and san deigo's are 90nm.

I'm sure you AMD guru's will correct me as I may be wrong.
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fussnfeathers · Lord of the Tweak Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 2763

Trust AMD to be confusing..........I'm seeing three models of 3500+ procs.........one's a Newcastle, 130nm process with 512 L2, the second is a Clawhammer, 130nm process, 512 L2, and the third is a Clawhammer, 130nm, with 1mb L2...........

They seem to have released different cache versions of the same chip. Go figure.
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PhRoZeN_X_ · SirTweaksabit Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 410

Gigamer · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject:

I'm no expert on those types of things but it looks to me like you have a newcastle:

Athlon 64 3500+ (newcastle)
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: Level 1 64KB+64KB; Level 2 512KB
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13 Micron
Socket: Socket 939
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNow!™
(this is from product discription @ zipzoomfly.com)

That was the first one I found but there seemed to be others that DID have the 1mb L2 cache ALSO called newcastle. The full discription says "up to 1mb" so maybe you got one of the 512....I do believe the newcastles were the first version (may be wrong about that). but I ALSO found a clawhammer with 512 of L2 so yeah it is damn confusing. hehe

Look:

Athlon 64 3500+ (clawhammer)
Core: Clawhammer
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: Level 1 64KB+64KB; Level 2 512KB
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13 Micron
Socket: Socket 939
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNow!™
with Heatsink and Fan

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PhRoZeN_X_ · SirTweaksabit Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 410

A local computer shop. It came in a retail box .only description on it is a sticker on the upper left had corner that says " 3500+ socket 939 amd athlon 64 with 512 cache operates at 2200 MHz"

FreeTheRock [banned] · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject:

Okay time for the AMD guru to tell you all the right info Very Happy

There are 4 types of 3500+

Clawhammer 130nm with 1mb cache
Newcastle 130nm 512kb cache
Winchester 90nm 512kb cache
Venice 90nm 512kb cache with SSE3 intructions set as no other 3500+ has SSE3

Also there is no 3500+ San Diego

San Diego comes in 3 flavours FX-55 4000+ and 3700+

And as for your processor Phrozen X its a newcastle

PhRoZeN_X_ · SirTweaksabit Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 410

Thank you very much FTR. I called the local shop and the have no clue. Great bunch working there

PhRoZeN_X_ · SirTweaksabit Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 410

FTR Just did a fresh insatll of win xp 64. Downloaded latest version of cpuz and now it tells me its a clawhammer.

Quote gigamer's discrption in his post

Athlon 64 3500+ (clawhammer)
Core: Clawhammer
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: Level 1 64KB+64KB; Level 2 512KB
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13 Micron
Socket: Socket 939
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNow!™
with Heatsink and Fan

Do i now believe cpuz or is it a newcastle? This is confusing.

FreeTheRock [banned] · Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:

well turns out i was mistaken with the 3500+ i think i got confused on something, but anyways the clawhammer for socket 939 has 512kb cache.

fussnfeathers · Lord of the Tweak Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 2763

Ok, I did a bit of digging around.

You have a Clawhammer, Rev SH7-CG. Newcastles are Rev DH7-CG.

It comes in two flavors, 1mb L2 cache, and 512k L2 cache. The one you have was released just prior to the Newcastle core being introduced.
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PhRoZeN_X_ · SirTweaksabit Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 410

Ok thats cool was just wondering. Is the clawhammer as good as the newcastle or is the newcastle better ?

FreeTheRock [banned] · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject:

im not sure but i do know that winchester is better than both and Venice is better than winchester.

PhRoZeN_X_ · SirTweaksabit Joined: 19 Jun 2004 Posts: 410

So your saying Winchester is better than the newcastle and the venice is the best. How is the winchester core for OCing?

FreeTheRock [banned] · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:50 am Post subject:

its very good but Venice is the best, they are better because they are 90nm which makes a smaller die which makes less heat less power and more performence.