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jarro_2783
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 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: disappointed with valve or steam? |
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Has you Steam account ever been banned or disabled without a reason? Even if you have done nothing at all to your account, you may still be locked out from your games. What did you do to deserve this? After all, you bought the end-user liscence, so what gives VALVe the right to lock you out of your entertainment?
Take an example of this...one who has used pirated software decides to go clean, and gets a legal account. It gets banned...but where in the EULA was it stated that VALVe can examine your previous record in order to decide your current one?
No where in the EULA was it stated that you must run Steam to play online, but somehow you are obligated to use it, you are obligated to have an internet connection, even if you want nothing to do with the game's multiplayer features. Another violatation of VALVe of their own liscence.
Here is the relevant section from the EULA:
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Section 5, paragraph 3.
Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, Cheating or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it may choose to do so.
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I think where the error lies here is that you agree to this for every subscription, it isn't one agreement for multiple subscriptions, it is effectively a different agreement per subscription. So they can't disable one account because of illegal stuff on other accounts, because the legit account comes under an agreement different to each and every other account.
Here are two discrepencies
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- They don't have to tell me? Why not?
- "believes" does not cut it. It has to be illegal, and they must give you a reason, or this can be classified as something called "Denial of Service". That is easily recognized by a hacker as the kind of attack which allowes someone to deny a program or a service to you. The EULA never says they can ban your account FOR NO REASON.
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And true, they cannot ban other accounts because of activities in one, nor can they disable accounts because of previous behaviors. In fact, they shouldn't be allowed to disable Steam at all. Think of what the EULA says..."this distrubs other subscribers playing Steam". Playing offline doesn't disturb some junkie in New Jersey, so why the f**k doesn't it even let me play Half-Life.
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Think about it... how can they ban you if they know you have a legal copy?? Of course, they lock you out of your software, which is rightfully yours, and offer no refund.
Well you might say, I love steam and valve. They gave us the games and without them, we'd be nowhere!
Well; they gave us the game, but instead of giving us the finished product, they gave us the beta. How many hackers have you seen in CSS? Where's VAC2? How many damn bugs can you count in HL2?
You might disagree with me, but then note the quotes. Those have all been marked specially, because valve is illegally banning people.
Think of it this way - an illegal user gone straight.
The result, he gets banned.
Of course you may argue that he deserves it.
But where on the EULA does it say that?
On the emails they gave to a friend of mine, with the answer to why his legit account was banned it said, "please remember that we take into account any illegal activity done on other accounts you own." nowhere in the EULA does it say that they can do that.
There have been numerous reports like this of people's accounts being banned for no reason.
What's very sickening about valve, is the censorship that goes on in the steampowered forums.
If you start a topic with evidence such as this one, they'll delete it in less than 2 minutes. It was clocked. If that isn't censorship, what is?
Well, thank you for reading this far.
But for those who have been wronged, who have been mistreated, we are here, ATE:VALVe...to make this software giant pay for what it has done.
http://atev.tk
This is a site a man made. ATE:Valve. Against the Enemy : Valve.
It is dedicated to the operation of bringing down the tyranny of valve, and the unfairness it has brought upon those who wish to just play their games.
I am not forcing anyone to join, nor trying to advertise our site.
I am doing what all of us would do in real life.
Get up and speak out.
We are still looking for admins for most of Europe, Africa, Asia and South America. If you are interested, contact us at our forum and we will tell you more.
The greatest regret I have is not that you will ban me, or delete this post. It is that some of you people for some reason insist on denying the truth that is right in front of you, that you insist on denial rather then acceptance. We are here not as a post for your insults but as a community for those who have been robbed. |
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fussnfeathers
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You do realize, of course, that you can disable the "online" portion in HL2?
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jarro_2783
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| there are two ways I can interpret that, either you can turn it off by playing offline mode, or after they have disabled your legit account you can use a crack. But for people that want to play online then that doesn't really help. |
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