LCD not for gaming? why god why!!

pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

sup all, this is my first post, and if you can't tell by the title... I'm a hardcore gamer who's about to build a top of the line machine. I had my heart set on the samsung 191t the moment I saw it in bestbuy (it was connected to an alienware comp and I tried some of their demos, quality was amazing, and I thought the refresh rate was ok)
but a few days later I talked to a friend of mine who says that LCDs aren't good for gaming, I searched and found your site which indeed confirms my worst fears... well damn.
My question is, how bad is it? what is the refresh rate? will I still be able to get it and have a good time gaming? How noticable is the difference? and is there a difference between DVI and analog? I really don't want to go back to a CRT.
or maybe you can offer an alternative?

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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

With the new generation of 191T that is on the market, gaming might have improved. If you played a game and you found that there was no ghosting, then things might have drastically improved. One of the ONLY down points was the gaming and this might have been noticed by samsung and they probably cured it.

Samsung is good like that, they actually listen to the consumer population, and that is why I love their products.
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icyrus76 · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:35 pm Post subject:

LCDs in general aren't made for gaming, its compact and space saving, but becase of the different technology, CRTs are able to give faster refresh rates than LCDs. It's just the same with laptops, generally speaking, playing games wiht a LCD monitor is the same as playing games on a laptop. LCDs are made for office use, and graphics designers use, and of course, the hot topic, it gives off less radiation and is easier on the eyes, but it's a fragile technology..Just becareful and watch out for pixels that turn bad..it might be heavier and takes up more space, but for games, i suggested buying a CRT instead of an LCD, but the choice is up to you.
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pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

fast replies, thnx... I think I'll go back to bestbuy and try those demos again and see if there is ghosting or if it's a significant problem (I wasn't paying detailed attention last time I went there) thnx for the help although I don't think I'll be going back to CRT, reason being I'm buying it for college, I've seen my dorm room, and I don't think a 20+ CRT will fit.

icyrus76 · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 4:18 pm Post subject:

college eh?..lol..ur the first i've see building a game system in school?..=P..haha..i kno wat u mean..lol..i literally live in my room, and my 21" monitor is heavy and taking up space..but yeh, i have dual..i have a LCD on one side and a CRT..so for multipurposes..The smaller the LCD the less maintainance, that's for sure..check out the prices at Pricegrabber, i'm sure you'll find what you're looking for with great prices!

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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Check out the best in LCD monitor prices here:

http://tweaknews.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=37/ut=42ba437741cad5af

Prices are dropping like crazy.

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pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

lol yeah... cause when I read your review, you said something like a 200-300 dollar price diff, when I checked in new egg (where I'll be buying everything), the price diff was like 30 bucks. :)

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

And when was that review done?
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pbian · TweakNOOB Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 39

not sure, but it was the 191n and you were comparing it to the 191t

icyrus76 · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:07 am Post subject:

that was a while back..about a month or 2 if i remember correctly..

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

When it first came out, that was the difference between the product, but the prices were shuffled due to model years and the price dropped afterwards.
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robin338 · TweakNOOB Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 34

LCDs can be ok for gaming. You often get what you pay for. If you want to game on an LCD, than one with an incredibly fast response is what you need. Even an expensive LCD doesn't ensure better gaming performance than an economical CRT. What LCDs can offer is veratility: screen rotation, wall mounting, and some portabilty. These are some of the reasons I ditched my 19in CRT for a 17in LCD. I don't think I can go back to looking at the other unless I have to. I would like to note that at least on my systems that the graphics adapter seems to be more important than with CRTs. ATi simply looks better on the desktop than nVidia. Even a lowly Radeon LE with VGA looks better next to an Asus GeForce4 with the DVI.

[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Thins is the wrong section for posting a sale. It was removed and please post it in the appropriate section.
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imitati0n · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:43 pm Post subject:

yea lcds have drop'd a ton in price recently and are much better for gaming than they used to be. if u shop @ best buy ditch the samsung and check out the new 17" sony lcds. Not as large, but quality wise (contrast ratio) and latency wise (ms) it beats the samsung by both. The new sonys have a latency of i believe 17ms (traditional crts are anywhere from 6-10) and the contrast ratio is 500or550:1. Great lcd for gaming, but make sure u check out the latency of the lcds. They range from 16-40. Imagine adding 40 onto your ping when u play online.....ewwwwwwww
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

The one main difference is the extreme difference in price between the Sonys and the Samsungs.

Mind you, for everyday use, Samsung is the best out there. But, if you need an LCD for gaming, you will have to dish out the major bucks or perhaps wait for this year's models.

Remember to not always trust the contrast stats advertised. Some companies are stating something that their products won't perform at. Samsung on the other hand were brighter than they stated.
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CooLJoE · Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:11 am Post subject:

Ummmm, latency of a monitor or LCD screen does not at latency to your online ping.
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[TN] Nathan · ALMIGHTY PWNER! Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Posts: 7406

Reword that bud. I don't know what you are saying.
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alexvdl · SirTweaksabit Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 311

Companies lie to us? NO! *L*

I have a the NEC MultiSync LCD 1530mv and other than the fact I can't get it to go above 1024 by 768 I don't hvae any problems at ALL gaming with it. no ghosting, no screen flicker. I'm happy happy happy with it.
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PerfectModifications · TweakNOOB Joined: 06 Sep 2003 Posts: 31

Ok I'm in the same boat as the guy who started this thread. I need a good 17" or 19" LCD with no screen flicker, motion blur NOTICEABLE. I know all LCD's have them, but you guys know what I mean

So, I've heard Samsung's 191N and 191T and the NEC MultiSync LCD 1530mv and the Sony LCD's . Any other opinions for best gaming LCD monitors for not a blow-out your face price?