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icyrus76
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 5:19 pm    Post subject: A7N8X Dlx and XP2000+ Reply with quote

As i've mentioned in the other forum, this combo has been working for me quite nicely, but i want to overclock it, but the CPU Frequency only has 100, 133, and 166, is there anyway i can clock it more, i think my system does not boot up when i switch to 166, if it does, it's good, btu if not, are there any other alternatives i can make it go faster than 1.67 Ghz?..please advise.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be unlocked. Go in to the BIOS, and try to change the multiplier if you can, the its unlocked. In order to overclock your processor, You have to adjust the % of you ram speed. just go in there any mess around a bit, and see what you can uncover, but please, when you exit, selected: Exit without saving changes. please dont overclock you proccesser with out the brains behind it. Its a dangerous task. Look in your motherboard manual, and just see what you can do. For the Xp 2000+, the settings should be: 12.5x133. If you were to just set the clock right to 166, you would be running your processer at 2075Mhz, a 400Mhz overclock. By the way, what are your temps? and were are you checking them from? (thanks DMW). What cooling are you using? What voltage is your CPU currently at? Many things that really count in overclocking your CPU.


I'd love to help your overclock your processor! You just need to do it right, and with caution.



So, if you could give me your system specs, then we should be on are way!


C'ya
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eli,

No offense bud, but you do not know enough about overclocking to be giving advice to people. Please don't give advice without knowing everything about what you are saying. Giving the wrong advice could lead to someone destroying their computer. Be careful.

icyrus76,

Your processor is a 133Mhz front side bus frequency cpu. Do NOT go to 166 because that is for the barton 333Mhz front side bus cpu's.

First off, the processor 100,133,166 is not where you do the overclocking. There should be a setting where you can add Mhz to your frontside bus above 133. that is where you overclock your ram. The multiplier should also be adjustable seing that you are using a Nforce board that unlocks the cpu for you. To overclock an athlon XP, you should drop your multiplier and raise your frontside bus to get the most performance out of you computer seeing that overclocking the FSB is overclocking the ram and will allow you to increase you memory bandwidth. To overclock, you will have to raise your memory and cpu voltage to obtain a stable overclock. Kinda like getting the sufficient amount of gas to a race engine to get the most speed.

For more information go here:

http://www.tech-report.com/faq/athlon.x

Should answer your questions.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the dis Nathan. I have to start somewhere you know. I was giving him good advise. I was going to mention the stuff that you just did after he became more familiar with what the BIOS is.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eli,

It wasn't a Dis bro, you know me and you know how much I have helped you from the start.

I am just stating that the inforamtion you stated about "% ram speed" and overclock to 166 is not the way to overclock.

You have only been in the overclocking game for about a month or so and haven't learned everything yourself, please don't give out advice that isn't correct.

Don't take offense, it is not my intention, I am just protecting people from an accident.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*disclaimer* this is not a "dis"

well then...and XP2000 that's gonna hit 2GHz, huh? that had better be one VERY healthy CPU!

eli...relax man, Nathan's warning is justified. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Although it may seem like a great accomplishment thus far for you, there is plenty you are unfamiliar with.
You have gone from saying

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To answer your questions, yes I helped my friend build his computer, some I am basically a biginer in computer hardware. I've never overclocked so im not familiar with that, and yes I do want to overclock when the time comes.


to giving advice on the issue in 3 months?

just yesterday you ask how to lock the AGP & PCI of your MOBO.....and this is one of the most fantastic options for your board!
You are not comfortable applying thermal paste or how to clean off the paste.Things like this are the fundamentals of PC tweaking...and do not approach the realm of OCing.
you have managed a mere 300MHz OC on your chip, and already you think water cooling is the answer.
you are just getting your feet wet, so the time to give poolside CPR classes has not come for you just yet.

wasn't it you that said:
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I like people to be very direct, and honest with me


possibly it was a shared fault in us providing so much information freely without confiming what you were able to understand.
we all learn more everyday, and yes you have done research...but this is not a place to to repeat or distribute information that isn't fully understood. If I were a n00b and took your advice...I might be finding a way to locate you right now.

it's not all about who does what the fastest or how much you can afford...
Anyone can buy "the best" equipment out there, but not understanding the how and why a piece performs the way it does, is a crime.

I have spent almost six months waiting, researching and figuring....and now my parts are starting to come in...I know what each of my parts "should" do...and also why!
In 3 months you have bought, built and are ready to get extreme with a number of the same parts I intend to use.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: A7N8X Dlx and XP2000+ Reply with quote

icyrus76 wrote:
As i've mentioned in the other forum, this combo has been working for me quite nicely, but i want to overclock it, but the CPU Frequency only has 100, 133, and 166, is there anyway i can clock it more, i think my system does not boot up when i switch to 166, if it does, it's good, btu if not, are there any other alternatives i can make it go faster than 1.67 Ghz?..please advise.

Cyrus


Hey there Cyrus,
You have a good start with some nice hardware! It also seems as though you have found the bios, which is a step forward as well (you would be amazed at the number of people that never even know what or where the bios is).

In brief, there are some basic timing adjustments that can be changed to increase processor speed and memory bandwidth.

While it is a pretty straight forward process, there are some hazards and even a little math you need to read up on.
As "eli" mentioned, heat can be a factor, and if you bought a retail AMD chip (boxed that come with the HSF) but never upgraded from the factory HSF, then I would advise that you stop right now and order a replacement that you feel comfortable with. Price, performance and appeal will all play a part, but remember that the better it performs, you CPU will be happier and more likely to cooperate.

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but the CPU Frequency only has 100, 133, and 166, is there anyway i can clock it more, i think my system does not boot up when i switch to 166

This is where a little reading and some math will play a part for you. Those numbers you are looking at are the different FSBs that your MOBO supports. It does not indicate what the processor can do.
Knowing what the FSB is and how the clock multiplier relate, along with voltage adjustment are essential to protecting your equipment.

Please give us a little help by listing the equipment you have....everything from the chip / hsf / memory type and brand / video cards and power suppply. Some people just put this info in their profiles under "signature" which helps a bit with trouble shooting!

In the mean time, if one of the Admins here could find the link (hint hint), there was a news post a week or so ago about an online BIOS guide...this is really some good stuff.....it covers the basics and explains much of how things work! It may not apply specifically to your board...but that isn't the point. Knowing "why" a change makes a difference if far better than just knowing "how" to do it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, I just think I know what I am doing. just mess around in there a little, to get more familiar with it, thats what I did atleast, and it worked great. Take it slow, read up about it a little, and find out what the clock is, and what the multiplier is, etc. Once you've learned that, come back to us, and tell us what you've learned.


Nathan, sorry about that, I was just having a bad night and I feel horrible

Maybe well you tell what you know, and I could tell him some stuff about what I know. Correct me if I wrong.

Sorry again guys
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your help guys! I've managed to tweak my machine up to 1.82Ghz on the XP 2000+ and loving it!..just might get some more ram later on, but so far the temperatures are great, they don't pass 35 degrees celcius, both mobo and cpu.

The multiplier is set at 12.5, and the cpu frequency is set to 145Mhz, and then i selected teh "Agressive" settings on the mobo in the BIOS. I'll keep you posted on what's going on, so far its pretty stable, but i gotta do some major cpu usage on games and graphics first. Thanks again for all the assistance. I really appreciate it!~

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