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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:41 pm    Post subject: standby mode :help needed!! Reply with quote

Hi all,

I am used to the fact that when you go standby, everything should shut down? But for my new system, standby mode just stops the CPU and HD. The CPU fan and case fans are still running!!! Is there anyway to adjust this?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, they have to run to keep the computer cool.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, thx Nathan. I am not used to this because my old gateway the CPU fan stops :) Any explaination? Is it ok to use hibernate instead ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't use any hibernate of standby.

Turn your computer off when it is not in use.

Your computer will last longer.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Nathan. I still have a question about CPU doesn't support MMX, can you explain that?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MMX doesn't really exist anymore, P4's are iSSE2 optimized as is most newer software.

MMX is primarily Athlon based optimizations.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:58 am    Post subject: Fans still running in Standby Reply with quote

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I am used to the fact that when you go standby, everything should shut down? But for my new system, standby mode just stops the CPU and HD. The CPU fan and case fans are still running!!! Is there anyway to adjust this?


Nathan is infact wrong in a few places.

I have the same problem. I had a Pentium 4 1.7G with ASUS motherboard that when sent into standby would shut down all power to fans and hard drives etc. This is how it should work for a modern computer.

I recently upgraded my motherboard and now the fans still run when the PC is in standby. If you have a solution please help me.

To fix the problem I suggest you may need to adjust BIOS settings and adjust Windows settings in Control Panel -> Power Management, and you may also need to install new drivers for different motherboard resources such as the ACPI etc. If you transferred your hard drive from the old to new computer you may need to reinstall Windows.

Modern ATX power supplies still provide some power to run basic tasks on the motherboard even when you don't use standby. Because of the low amount of current drawn there is no need for cooling.
Wake on LAN and Wake on MODEM are 2 examples of this. Have a look inside your PC if you don’t believe me. You will normally see LEDs on, especially if you have a LAN card. The only way to truly turn off the computer is if the power supply has a main switch or if you disconnect the power from the source.

When a computer is in Standby, a small amount of power is consumed to update the RAM. This only needs to be done every few seconds or so and does not require the fan in the power supply to run. If you disconnect the power from the mains, the memory is cleared and you lose your work.

With hibernate the computer stores the content of the ram on the hard drive, so doesn’t need to refresh the RAM. You can safely disconnect the PC from the power source and it will reboot to the original state. Hibernate is just a little slower than standby in restarting.

All Pentium II , 3 and 4 processors still have all the MMX instructions, it’s just not a main point that Intel feels the need to advertise as it’s not a new technology anymore.

There is actually evidence to suggest a PC can last longer if it's rarely turned off. As long as you run the PC in an air conditioned room and use a UPS to protect against power fluctuations, as most business servers are run then it is possible the PC can last for a lot longer than one that is turned on and off all the time. This is from experience. This is a similar idea to when 1 car is driven more than another, the car that is used more often requires less servicing overall.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was not wrong in anyway.

First off, motherboards today always have the fans running to keep the system cool even while on standby. Out of all the P4 and athlon system I have built, tested, reviewed and overclocked, NONE of them have shut the fans all the way off.

No BIOS fix will help this, recent computer products are meant to be kept cool.

Never ever use hibernate or standby, it only leads in most cases to a computer that won't fire up and it is just best to shut it down when it is not in use. And no, leaving your computer on at all times is not better for your computer. If by anychance something goes wrong or fails when you are out, you will not be there to stop a short circuit that could lead to a fire etc....
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[TN] Nathan wrote:
I was not wrong in anyway.





You go gurl!!! A word of advice, NATE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your response.

Well, I have built several PC’s include P4s and Athlons that do exactly as I describe, and I am certain that I can get it to work, so I will get back to you if I work it out or die trying. It is possible that my motherboard doesn’t support it.

But I will pay you that for someone who only uses there PC for a few hours a day, then they should probably turn it off when not using it and that a problem such as a fire starting or damage from an electrical storm could be a problem. I was just implying that you can’t generalise and say that all PC’s should be shut down when not using them. And as I said, if you don’t disconnect the power from the power point/outlet (or whatever you call them in the US) then problems could still occur as there is still power running thru the motherboard anyway.

Also, when the PC is not being used, then you can have preventative maintenance programs running or an automated backup etc. These can benefit a business.
Also, how else would SETI be able to find those aliens if they don’t have my P4 3G processor working away at the data.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but my statement was for people that have it running 24 hours a day when they never use it at all.

Components will just wear out fast, power supplies will lose their life, you could potentially be hacked into when you are sleeping etc...

The benefits of keeping a system going 24hrs a day and definitely outweighed by the cons of the everyday computer user.

General rule is to just shut it down at night and during the day, have everything on expect having windows shutdown your monitor after 20minutes of no activity.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I solved my problem. My PC now turns off all the fans when it goes into standby, exactly the way it should :-)

The power supply only provides minimal power to keep the RAM refreshed. Like I said earlier, most modern computers with an ATX power supply already draw a small amount of power to maintain motherboard features such as "Wake on LAN" and "Wake on Modem" etc. This can be seen if you look inside your PC and see LEDs on, especially if you have a LAN card.

Maybe you should try it out Nathan; it might be a feature that will grow on you, if you get it to work correctly.

The main advantage is that I can go into standby and when I come back to my PC it powers up and returns to the state I left it. This ultimately saves electricity, hence is good for the environment and saves me money I guess. Also, I can have my PC go into standby automatically after say 1 hour if I walk away and forget it’s on.

To solve the problem, I deleted all the custom "Power Schemes" in the power options then created a new one. Moving my hard drive from my old to new PC caused this problem no doubt.
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